Is the Holodeck Evil?

[Autistic Spectrum]

"Tell me something, Dixon. When you've gone.... will this world still exist?.. Will my wife and kids still be waiting for me at home?" - McNary from "The Big Goodbye"

What that episode, which I believe introduced the holodeck, set up was both sides of that device. On the on hand, it's fun and adventure (minus the occasional glitch). On the other hand, it creates a serious moral crisis not dealt with enough which is captured in that quote. You're creating beings, denying them the chance to be anything, and then -with their ignorance- erasing their existence when the fun is over. And the easy thing to say is that they don't really have emotions and are just facsimiles, but we've seen that is not the case time and time again, from Moriarty to the Doctor. Even if you argue they only gain sentience later, there is still the moral dilemma that you are denying a being who would gain sentience the right and ability to do so. You could argue the same things they argued for Data's sentience and definition of being a being.

And as we saw with "The Big Goodbye", the only solution hinted at is just not to inform anyone they're holograms created for amusement. That doesn't solve any of the moral dilemmas; it just sweeps it under the rug and creates a blissful ignorance on both sides.

Thoughts?

[cag]

stop making fun of my new friends!

[Autistic Spectrum]

ow physically strong is the average adult female vulcan? More than or less than an average human male?

[cag]

:supaburn:

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=9658411#post9658411

cag talk to me there awnser myt questions

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/Axemblue4/edward_james_olmos.jpg capt jean luc piccard of the starship enterpirse

[cag]

That's not picard, that's captain Kirk

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://www.trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif

[cag]

You leave me and my new best friends alone u nigger

[Autistic Spectrum]

cag reply to my fucking thread about tribbles

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=9658411#post9658411

i'm han solo cag, i sent you a friend request

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=9658504#post9658504

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=9658573#post9658573

making a bunch of good threads goona be admin of star trek soon ten i will ban you cag, u stupid bitch

[rootbeer]

Holodeck episodes are the gayest

[rootbeer]

I need a box of wine and a tegra note

[cag]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=9658411#post9658411

i'm han solo cag, i sent you a friend request
Oh god your gonna get me banned

[cag]

Lacutus of bored is a nazi admin and will delete all your amazing threads

[Gentleman Doli]

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[cag]

I just want to find a rich trekki you horrible horrible bullies

[Autistic Spectrum]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=246337 CAG BACK ME UP HERE

[Autistic Spectrum]

For those of you who are unaware of my hobbies, one of them is to collect STAR WARS and STAR TREK action figures and other toys and has been for many years now. When I was a litte kid I collected most of the original STAR WARS action figures made by Kenner between 1978 and 1985 and still own them, and I started collecting the new Kenner/Hasbro figures starting in 1998. Over the past 13 or 14 years I've probably acquired well over 2,000 action figures of different sizes and from different lines. I've posted quite a few pics of my collection in the "Picture Post" thread in recent months and also have a Photobucket account full of snapshots of my stuff. In addition to all my STAR WARS stuff I also own a much, much smaller but nonetheless quality collection of STAR TREK figures, dolls and plastic and die-cast ships dating back to some of the classic Mego (TOS) dolls of the '70s and the 3-3/4" line of action figures from THE MOTION PICTURE that were in stores in 1979 and 1980.

[maks]

you should take anything from Skype with an asteroid sized grain of salt.

[Autistic Spectrum]

in eposide 48b of the tos capt kirk did in fact land on an astrioid made up of salt, so this is def happening

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

For those of you who are unaware of my hobbies, one of them is to collect STAR WARS and STAR TREK action figures and stick them up my butt

[Autistic Spectrum]

oh wow they are really made about me having jj abrams skype name

[cag]

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=246295

[cag]

thanks for ruining my life again dp. i will have to find another star trek forum where i will meet my true love

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

did you post your tits in the first thread you made on there

[cag]

no no nudity.

[cag]

wasnt banned until dp had to come and ruin it by making them jealous about his connections with jjabrahams

[cag]

they were so fucking dumb they thought he was being serious

[cag]

now i will never find my true love :cry: dp loves it when im sad

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

http://i.imgur.com/Q04z2dm.jpg

[cag]

more... MORE

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

trollin the geeknerds http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=246349

[cag]

afika bambatta did you just discover planet rock or something jeez

[cag]

Fucking dp I was just starting to get attention and sympathy from people

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

all the attn is mine now suck itttttt

[cag]

Playing theif this game fucking sucks

[Autistic Spectrum]

omfg i was banned, they banned han solo,

[Autistic Spectrum]

You have received an infraction for trolling.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/RamsATW/320x240_zpsbe2d00f7.jpg

[Autistic Spectrum]

You have been banned for the following reason:
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Date the ban will be lifted: Never

wtf u can't ban han solo, gonna get my friends luke skywalker and chewbacca to fucking destory that shitty fourm, ugh u messed with the wrong rebal base

[Autistic Spectrum]

Afrika Bambaata wrote: View Post
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan – This is one of the most despicable and racist of the Star Trek films. An African Starfleet captain played by the late Paul Winfield is captured by an evil white man and controlled like house slave with an alien slug placed in his brain. Later, after failing his “master”, Winfield’s character kills himself in shame for failing to serve the commands of his white master.
By describing Khan Noonien Singh as a "evil white man" you're showing your true colours and your own racist beliefs.

Khan was a Sikh from the Republic of India who was fighting the continuing oppression and exploitation of his people by the white western powers and is as such a true hero of the people in the Eugenics Race War. And when he was awakened after 200 years of deep hibernation he continued his heroic fight against the supremacist James T. Kirk. Inserting that Ceti eel into Capt. Terrell's ear was nothing else than an act of liberation from the white master Kirk and not one of enslavement.
Ensign_Redshirt is offline


dadadans shitty copy and paste racist thread is getting the best replies

[cag]

not fair

[Autistic Spectrum]

By describing Khan Noonien Singh as a "evil white man" you're showing your true colours and your own racist beliefs.

Khan was a Sikh from the Republic of India who was fighting the continuing oppression and exploitation of his people by the white western powers and is as such a true hero of the people in the Eugenics Race War. And when he was awakened after 200 years of deep hibernation he continued his heroic fight against the supremacist James T. Kirk. Inserting that Ceti eel into Capt. Terrell's ear was nothing else than an act of liberation from the white master Kirk and not one of enslavement.


FUCK U DADADAN

[cag]

gonna find a star wars forum fuck you guys

[cag]

Trekkis are huge fags

[cag]

AN ASTROID SIZED GRAIN OF SALT

[Autistic Spectrum]

So it's just coincidence or just natural biological superiority that 4 out of 5 of the Commanders in Star Trek were Caucasians?

You really can't separate race from Trek given how paramount a subject it is in America and Trek is very much a cultural artifact of this race. If there was honest color blindness in Star Trek, there wouldn't be four white guys as Captains in the first place!

[cag]

uhhhh what about sisko he was commander of the space station.

[Autistic Spectrum]

one out of 5 is bad, ,,, some jim crow bullshit

[cag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKmsvP82IS0

wtf i bet one of those treeki posters made this video

[Autistic Spectrum]

just sign up again cag, it's not an ip ban, call yoursel Admiral cag this time they will never know it's you

[Autistic Spectrum]

also what if i really am han solo and they fuckign banned the real han solo, jesus there admins are worse than rubynets, HAN SOLO IS THE BEST ONE IN STAR TREK

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

7 pages for my one post :butt:

[Autistic Spectrum]

copy and pasted bullshit, i worked hard on my threads

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

can't ban me, I am a nigger and banning me would be racist

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

sign up as lando calrissian

[cag]

gonna harpoon dandadadam

[Autistic Spectrum]

i only wanted to get cag banned, and i did that , it makes me happy when cag is unhappy

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

gonna make a fake girl account and steal cags plan all the rich autistics are gonna be sending me bitcoins instead of buying 1000 dollar lego sets

[cag]

fuck you danananan

[cag]

hate u

[cag]

i only wanted to get cag banned, and i did that , it makes me happy when cag is unhappy

dp... DP YOU BLOODSUCKER

[rootbeer]

Are we on the holo deck right now?

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

102 replies :bigrig:

[cag]

What????? Okay gonna find another star trek forum after I kill you

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

jealous of my posting 5k1llz

[cag]

..............yes............

:raged:

[steveyos]

nerd shit