anybody done this before?

[TheElJoe]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/gadgets/4339778

Turn a netbook into a tablet I'm going to try it sometime

[maks]

why would you when you can get a tablet for like $150

[TheElJoe]

cause i don't want an android tablet and would like decent storage space

[maks]

give it a year

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/106147-the-200-windows-8-tablet-will-change-everything-again

[sex with dead people]

How many gigs of gay porn do you have currently?

[TheElJoe]

approx. 80gb

[TheElJoe]

give it a year

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/106147-the-200-windows-8-tablet-will-change-everything-again

Yeah and there is a more recent article saying so long $200 windows tablets but who knows maybe they still will i hope so cause that is what I want and when I think of something that should be made ti usually comes out a year later

[Camoron]

approx. 80gb

well why keep it to oyurself? Spread the wealth. my niggah.

[maks]

Yeah and there is a more recent article saying so long $200 windows tablets but who knows maybe they still will i hope so cause that is what I want and when I think of something that should be made ti usually comes out a year later

make sure you buy the x86 version, apparently windows 8 for ARM works exactly the same as x86 windows 8 except you can only install software via microsoft's app store. pretty gay if you ask me.

[blumpkin blownuts]

windows was microcoded for x86 anyway. it's not really a windows kernel if it's running on arm, it's an asm-level virtual machine, soaking up anywhere from 4-10x as many cycles to run the same fucking program compared to in its native architecture. utterly wasteful, useless - except for tutelage, i suppose.
I speculate though. I would be gobsmacked to learn microsoft's engineers built an ARM version of "windows 8" (just call it windows-on-apple already) from scratch

[maks]

It probably shares a lot of code with wimo, I dunno windows 8 is a piece of shit I haven't looked that far into it.

[Camoron]

windows was microcoded for x86 anyway. it's not really a windows kernel if it's running on arm, it's an asm-level virtual machine, soaking up anywhere from 4-10x as many cycles to run the same fucking program compared to in its native architecture. utterly wasteful, useless - except for tutelage, i suppose.
I speculate though. I would be gobsmacked to learn microsoft's engineers built an ARM version of "windows 8" (just call it windows-on-apple already) from scratch
from what i've read windows RT was built almost entirely from scratch

[jon]

windows was microcoded for x86 anyway. it's not really a windows kernel if it's running on arm, it's an asm-level virtual machine, soaking up anywhere from 4-10x as many cycles to run the same fucking program compared to in its native architecture. utterly wasteful, useless - except for tutelage, i suppose.
I speculate though. I would be gobsmacked to learn microsoft's engineers built an ARM version of "windows 8" (just call it windows-on-apple already) from scratch

none of this makes any sense

[elezzzark]

none of this makes any sense

Hey Mr. Jon, teach me how to code C

[jon]

pro tip except for like one page of source code, there is no reason whatsoever to use an assembly language to write an operating system

[jon]

hey elezark just do what i did and start using it

[elezzzark]

Does it blow my computer up if i start to compile and run?

[jon]

:|

[elezzzark]

If is true, i will be damned

[jon]

yawn

[elezzzark]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PxJttSETuvs/0.jpg

[lnopia the great]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/PhantomJellicle/Other/The%20Crow/Amber3.jpg

[TheElJoe]

I want a tablet running windows xp tyvm

[maks]

I want a tablet running windows xp tyvm

they have existed for years, there was even a tablet edition of XP. It's not going to be as thin or have the battery life of a modern device though, I don't even think you can get one with multitouch.

[TheElJoe]

if i do this in a few months i will let you guys know how awesome it is and i am for making it

[maks]

Good luck.

[sex with dead people]

if i do this in a few months i will let you guys know how awesome it is and i am for making it

Sounds like an idea stevey would come up with. Don't do it.

[blumpkin blownuts]

pro tip except for like one page of source code, there is no reason whatsoever to use an assembly language to write an operating system

Not for the whole thing, mainly just its assembler.
That's used to break down HLL's into chunks of assembly code, used by the computer at the machine level to control/compute data.
I'd also expect it to be kinda difficult to memory-map and table addresses for bus components like I/O, DMA etc without an assebler.
Then again, maybe there's some bloated one-size-fits-most HLL library that can directly access all memory & memory-mapped devices and bypass the assembly layer completely; in the process soaking up alot of unnecessary clock cycles to run the same program. You'll notice this particularly when trying to "port" user software from one architecture to another without actually rebuilding it from the machine level, for a completely alien instruction set.

It happens all the time.

If old console games were all written assembly (and they virtually all were, up to the mid 90s) they would've looked like dogshit on SNES compared to megadrive version, or vice versa, and that hasn't really changed despite that modern video games are impractical to code in asm. So now, even new games generally look/play best on 1 of the three leading game consoles, depending on how well the HLL they used to program the game compiles and assembles on those platforms.

[maks]

fyi bob

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/580292/what-languages-are-windows-mac-os-x-and-linux-written-inasm

[jon]

you just said a bunch of shit and then said "it happens all the time" to someone whose job it was to write a modern bootloader and real time operating system for the blackfin 548

so, no

[jon]

it happened in the seventies

[Plug Drugs]

the more microsoft products emulate apple products, the more microsoft dies. I hate it.
You can't convince investors and stockholders that they are fucking retards and things should continue the way they were before; investors and stockholders expect to be given some "spectularly moving presentation" at their gay little meetings where some newly hired know-it-all gives a speech about his 3 point plan to fix everything -- including new-age jargon that was pulled out of his ass and blah blah blah

[Plug Drugs]

tablets are fucking retarded as fuck; they are awkward to hold in your hand -- and the technology really hasn't caught up with the idea yet anyways.
When tablets are able to hold quad cores and 4 gigs of ram, let me know

[maks]

the more microsoft products emulate apple products, the more microsoft dies. I hate it.
You can't convince investors and stockholders that they are fucking retards and things should continue the way they were before; investors and stockholders expect to be given some "spectularly moving presentation" at their gay little meetings where some newly hired know-it-all gives a speech about his 3 point plan to fix everything -- including new-age jargon that was pulled out of his ass and blah blah blah

what the hell are you talking about? everything microsoft has done since ms-dos has been an attempt to emulate apple products. macs had a 'trash' like 11 years before windows had a 'recycle bin'

[Garfield]

ive made one of those before with an old psp

[Plug Drugs]

what the hell are you talking about? everything microsoft has done since ms-dos has been an attempt to emulate apple products. macs had a 'trash' like 11 years before windows had a 'recycle bin'

2 button interface, the 'start' button (despite how dumb it's name is, it is useful as fuck), control panel, etc

I don't understand why everything in Mac OS is organized by "file, edit, options, etc" and which "file/edit/options/etc" depends on which window you're in, so getting to any sort of a root menu (especially when you have multiple windows opened up) becomes a pain in the ass.

The Windows OS has its flaws, but its interface just makes more sense than Mac -- much more sense than some esoteric "double click here or click a combination of funny looking esoteric symbols on the keyboard like a clover-leaf that simply aren't congruent with any sort of logic". The "Windows" button sort of make's sense - it 'windows' out of whatever 'window' you are in. But the clover leaf button? Why the fuck is it a clover leaf?

Going through elementary school in the mid 90s, I had more than one opportunity to test out both the mac and windows OS, and you want to know which one made more sense, and the one which every peer of mine agreed as being 'better' to use? Windows OS.

I remember thinking as early as 5 years old, "Why the fuck does this button do this?" when using a macintosh, but then attempting to do the same thing on windows and being able to figure it out without issue.

The people who designed the windows OS interface designed it to be more intuitive. Ultimately, once you have become so familiar with both operating systems that you know how to do everything on both, it's just a matter of how fast each is. So what does Mac bring to the table?
Well, Mac "doesn't" have viruses, because no one who matters uses Macs so who the fuck would write viruses for Macs?
A shitload of software isn't compatible with Macs, and Mac is the one who dropped the ball on this one as far as I'm concerned... Mac STILL isn't fully compatible with Flash and such -- these are things that have been around for more than 10 years; it's time to get with the fucking program

[Garfield]

typical weed overdose rant

[Plug Drugs]

People simply have bad memories which they associate with their Windows PC they bought back in 2001, and now they finally realize it's time to upgrade and because they have so many bad memories associated with Windows, they consider buying a Mac.

Shame on them.

If they compared the two operating systems at the time back in 2001, Windows beat Mac by a landslide.
Mac OS back in 2001 was essentially inoperable; it was filled with more bugs and random crashes than an equivalent machine running windows by far.

They are fucking morons and I hope they burn in Hell; the world of electronics is actually starting to shift economic interest towards apple instead of microsoft, and I have to question WHY GOD, WHY. The dipshits at Apples are TOO INCOMPETENT to create a reliable OS, they have proven this time after time.

I refuse to use a Mac, and the next FUCKING MORON who comes up to me in real life and gives me some ill-advised regurgitated argument about how Mac's are better than PCs because they have "less viruses and they are so much more artistic and fashionable", I'm going to kick his god damn teeth outh

[Plug Drugs]

typical weed overdose rant
sorry I'm very drunk right now and misspellings and incoherent sentence structure are a bitch.
I've gotten to the point in my alcoholicness where I no longer realize how drunk I am and merely ramble on thinking I am sober

[elezzzark]

Plug Drugs, would you google about a videogame that you massacre Apple employers in Apple HQ?

[Garfield]

sorry I'm very drunk right now and misspellings and incoherent sentence structure are a bitch.
I've gotten to the point in my alcoholicness where I no longer realize how drunk I am and merely ramble on thinking I am sober

which brand of 40oz are you drinking

[Plug Drugs]

the ratio of windows users vs mac users is about 80/20,
so I haven't lost faith in microsoft that they will pull their head out of their asses and beat apple old school style like they did back around the PC revolution;
but there is actually now reasonable odds that Apple has in the long run against Microsoft, and that scares me.. because apple is full of douche-bags who doesn't understand the direction that computers were headed in... Apple wants to make computers some dinner-table occasion where father, mother, son, and daughter all sit down at the dinner table and all have their gay little apple tablets out and think that this is simply "the way of the future"....

Human DNA has exsisted within the animal kingdom for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF FUCKING YEARS, far too long for it to suddenly transition to some senseless thoughtless existence of robotic fucking morons with their Apple/google chip planted in their cerebral cortex, and blah blah blah. Fuck Apple

[Plug Drugs]

which brand of 40oz are you drinking

I actually splurged and got a Bud Lite 'lime-o-rita' today which is 24oz but has a wopping 8% alcohol; so drinking one is equivalent to 4 beers.

[Garfield]

i prefer cilantro blueberry serrano pepper infused margaritas rimmed with crushed vinegar salt brittle

[Plug Drugs]

for anyone considering getting a Bud Lite lime-o-rita, I would recommend them.
They taste no more shitty than beer does, and they contain twice as much alcohol.
My stomach felt a little upset after slamming one (because it is a little fruity, and having to slam anything fruity has always made me sick); but if you sip on your beverage and aren't merely trying to get drunk, Bud Lite lime-o-rita may be for you.

I should also express how much I hate budweiser and bud light by themsleves, their beer tastes like shitty rice shitty shit

[Plug Drugs]

i prefer cilantro blueberry serrano pepper infused margaritas rimmed with crushed vinegar salt brittle

that sounds way too complicated/expensive to just go to any bar/lqiuor store and be able to be drunk within 10 minutes
The goal of any drinker is to get drunk -- keep that in mind.

Remember: Wine is Fine, but Whiskey's Quicker

[Plug Drugs]

I just got a Youtube Ad for Bud Lite Lime-o-Rita. I hope I'm not getting tracked wtf.

i am actually the most advanced bot that Google has ever written.. I pretend to be human, right up until I try to sell you a product.
You were a test subject, how does it feel?

[Plug Drugs]

CddxIR89jYQ&autoplay=1

[Garfield]

that sounds way too complicated/expensive to just go to any bar/lqiuor store and be able to be drunk within 10 minutes
The goal of any drinker is to get drunk -- keep that in mind.

Remember: Wine is Fine, but Whiskey's Quicker

you have alot of growing up to do

[Camoron]

the more microsoft products emulate apple products, the more microsoft dies. I hate it.

microsoft introduced the first commercial tablet PC in 2002

[Plug Drugs]

you have alot of growing up to do

i can't imagine growing up and turning into a faggot who gives a shit about the taste of his/her alcohol;
if it gets you drunk that is all that matters

[Garfield]

i can't imagine growing up and turning into a faggot who gives a shit about the taste of his/her alcohol;
if it gets you drunk that is all that matters

actual words taken from a godsmack fan

[Plug Drugs]

microsoft introduced the first commercial tablet PC in 2002

they were the top corporation in the world at that point, and any business venture was entirely open to them. Some young douchebag comes up to them and says "let's make a little rectangular piece of shit and see if it catches on", they thought "why the fuck not"

[Plug Drugs]

actual words taken from a godsmack fan

alcoholic beverages were never meant to taste good in the first place;
you drink alcohol to get drunk - point and case

The only people who could ever turn "the taste of alcohol" into an obsession are little whiny faggots.

[elezzzark]

http://rubycalaber.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=109

[Plug Drugs]

i will spend a dollar or two extra on alcohol simply if that dollar or two extra means i won't gag on the nasty shit..
but that's the extent of my connoisseur taste in alcohol

[Garfield]

i will spend a dollar or two extra on alcohol simply if that dollar or two extra means i won't gag on the nasty shit..
but that's the extent of my connoisseur taste in alcohol

i suppose you only buy vitamins and bottled water because you dont like the taste of food

[elezzzark]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zzyVcfCE0yI/TIQVsh4LSCI/AAAAAAAABwk/yX586_mWBnc/s640/Macaulay_Culkin_WTF.jpg

[Garfield]

i think i look more like kieran

[elezzzark]

Are you part of Culkins blood?

[Garfield]

dont worry i dont listen to horoscopes i was just being ironic, were still compatible baby

[maks]

2 button interface, the 'start' button (despite how dumb it's name is, it is useful as fuck), control panel, etc

I don't understand why everything in Mac OS is organized by "file, edit, options, etc" and which "file/edit/options/etc" depends on which window you're in, so getting to any sort of a root menu (especially when you have multiple windows opened up) becomes a pain in the ass.


Because putting it on every window is a waste of valuable screen real estate. if you can't figure out that the bar at the top reflects which window is active maybe you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place



The Windows OS has its flaws, but its interface just makes more sense than Mac -- much more sense than some esoteric "double click here or click a combination of funny looking esoteric symbols on the keyboard like a clover-leaf that simply aren't congruent with any sort of logic". The "Windows" button sort of make's sense - it 'windows' out of whatever 'window' you are in. But the clover leaf button? Why the fuck is it a clover leaf?

Going through elementary school in the mid 90s, I had more than one opportunity to test out both the mac and windows OS, and you want to know which one made more sense, and the one which every peer of mine agreed as being 'better' to use? Windows OS.

I remember thinking as early as 5 years old, "Why the fuck does this button do this?" when using a macintosh, but then attempting to do the same thing on windows and being able to figure it out without issue.


So you made your descision based on looks and layout over core functionality, the same thing people like to criticize apple users for?



The people who designed the windows OS interface designed it to be more intuitive. Ultimately, once you have become so familiar with both operating systems that you know how to do everything on both, it's just a matter of how fast each is. So what does Mac bring to the table?
Well, Mac "doesn't" have viruses, because no one who matters uses Macs so who the fuck would write viruses for Macs?


It doesn't have virus problems for the same reason linux doesn't, because it's a better, more secure, more solid system at every level.



A shitload of software isn't compatible with Macs, and Mac is the one who dropped the ball on this one as far as I'm concerned...


Actually when you factor in how easy it is to run or port over *nix software OSX has a much larger library of programs than Windows does.



Mac STILL isn't fully compatible with Flash and such -- these are things that have been around for more than 10 years; it's time to get with the fucking program

what the christ are you talking about? you're not going to win arguments by hardcore just making shit up. flash works exactly the same as it does on any other desktop OS and has since I started using osx in 2006.

[Plug Drugs]

what the christ are you talking about? you're not going to win arguments by hardcore just making shit up. flash works exactly the same as it does on any other desktop OS and has since I started using osx in 2006.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=659567

[Plug Drugs]

that link is full of hate against microsoft, some even accusing microsoft of paying adobe to not make flash compatible with anything besides windows; but all those gay ass mac users who are congregating on that forum can't seem to figure out why their macs are running adobe flash so shittily. Could it be because the Mac machine is wasting all its resources on a 'cool looking' interface and memory leaks?

[maks]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=659567

oh ok so one guy had an issue with flash 3 years ago and made a forum post about it, that's all the proof I need

[Plug Drugs]

oh ok so one guy had an issue with flash 3 years ago and made a forum post about it, that's all the proof I need
may i point out that that wasn't a forum dedicated to mac-bashing; that was a forum full of mac users
This was only back in 2009, and more than 2/3 of the 30 or so people who replied to that thread agreed or alluded to the fact that their macs were having trouble with flash

[Garfield]

http://www.nausicaa.net/~nihon/temp/apple-multi.jpg

[maks]

that link is full of hate against microsoft, some even accusing microsoft of paying adobe to not make flash compatible with anything besides windows; but all those gay ass mac users who are congregating on that forum can't seem to figure out why their macs are running adobe flash so shittily. Could it be because the Mac machine is wasting all its resources on a 'cool looking' interface and memory leaks?

no, the 'cool looking' interface is less resource intensive than windows 7's aero bullshit. the only memory leaks I've ever seen are from firefox which (drumroll please) does the same shit on windows. I'll be honest I didn't real that thread I saw it was an ancient forum post and I was like 'he must be fucking kidding me' but I'd bet money that either this guy is trying to run a modern browser and flash plugin on an ancient machine or he did something to fuck it up himself. flash is pretty shitty on every platform but it's also no worse on the mac than any other os.

[maks]

may i point out that that wasn't a forum dedicated to mac-bashing; that was a forum full of mac users
This was only back in 2009, and more than 2/3 of the 30 or so people who replied to that thread agreed that their macs were having trouble with flash

so your conclusive proof that windows is better than osx is that a guy had a problem and posted on a forum about it

[Plug Drugs]

no, the 'cool looking' interface is less resource intensive than windows 7's aero bullshit.

windows 7's fancy interface was, in my opinion, only made in response to Mac's fancy interface.

Microsoft got scared of Apple, and started emulating them. This was a big mistake on microsoft's part; they should have just ignored apple instead of getting down into the gutter with them

[maks]

windows 7's fancy interface was, in my opinion, only made in response to Mac's fancy interface.

Microsoft got scared of Apple, and started emulating them. This was a big mistake on microsoft's part; they should have just ignored apple instead of getting down into the gutter with them

windows was made in response to the mac's fancy interface. if it wasn't for apple you would be running DOS. deal with it.

[Garfield]

can you two fags take this to the herpetarium

[maks]

microsoft's flagship product before apple brought gui's to the desktop
http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/gfx/logo/msdos_screenshot.jpg


microsoft's flagship product in 2012 if apple had never existed
http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/gfx/logo/msdos_screenshot.jpg
with a higher version number

[Plug Drugs]

so your conclusive proof that windows is better than osx is that a guy had a problem and posted on a forum about it

it seems more like a democratically agreed upon fact in that thread that macs struggle with flash; and the issue at hand is just trying to understand why macs struggle with flash as opposed to if they struggle with flash.
Sure, PCs running windows have many problems, but most of the problems can be attributed to human error - and if you know what you're doing, these problems can be fixed yourself. On a Mac, when you have a serious problem, what do you do? Other than run to the Mac store and pay hundreds of dollars to get a problem fixed with the core mac software.

[Plug Drugs]

windows was made in response to the mac's fancy interface. if it wasn't for apple you would be running DOS. deal with it.
there were many exchanges between apple and microsoft in the early days; you can equally blame both of them for ripping off the other back during those days.

The real point is, microsoft came out on top when PCs were actually becoming a widespread household item (mid to late 90s and most of the 2000s), and that was for a good reason: THE MAC OS BACK THEN SUCKED SO MUCH ASS IT MAKES MY HEAD SPIN

apple may have outgrown their shitty jewish ways of tricking consumers into buying garbage, but I can't forgive them for it

[maks]

it seems more like a democratically agreed upon fact in that thread that macs struggle with flash; and the issue at hand is just trying to understand why macs struggle with flash as opposed to if they struggle with flash.


it's a mac forum full of mac users it would be a little out of place for them to complain about bad flash performance on their TSR 80's don't you think?




Sure, PCs running windows have many problems, but most of the problems can be attributed to human error - and if you know what you're doing, these problems can be fixed yourself. On a Mac, when you have a serious problem, what do you do? Other than run to the Mac store and pay hundreds of dollars to get a problem fixed with the core mac software.

as a guy who works on these sorts of problems all day long for a living and stuff, only about half can be attributed to human error, the rest can be attributed to windows being shit. in 6 years I've never had a problem that required me to reinstall OSX, Windows on the other hand I generally reinstall about once a year.

[elezzzark]

I don't care what Plug Drugs says, he is kind of a windows preacher.

Well, i have serious critics against Apple and their products are:

-No Support for Cross-Platform Developers.
-No Friendly Support to compile apps for iOS and Mac for testing purpose until pay $ 99 dollars per year.
-Windows and Linux can play VMWare Player, but no for mac, there an workaround is VMWare Fusion which is NOT free.
-Buying Apple Products make you an easy developer for other apple products for runtime, but not so easy if you deploy cross platform.
-Requires Certificate from iOS developer porgram before to compile .ipa (ridiculous)
-No Compatible OSX for Virtual Machine on non-apple computers.

[maks]

I don't care what Plug Drugs says, he is kind of a windows preacher.

Well, i have serious critics against Apple and their products are:

-No Support for Cross-Platform Developers.
-No Friendly Support to compile apps for iOS and Mac for testing purpose until pay $ 99 dollars per year.
-Windows and Linux can play VMWare Player, but no for mac, there an workaround is VMWare Fusion which is NOT free.
-Buying Apple Products make you an easy developer for other apple products for runtime, but not so easy if you deploy cross platform.
-No Compatible OSX for Virtual Machine on non-apple computers.

see these are valid complaints. I wish plug drugs would do this instead of making shit up all the time, I don't want to argue with him but I feel like I have to set him straight.

Also they ruined the Macbook Pro. A professional grade laptop should not use SSD exclusively, nor should it's fucking RAM be soldered in. I'm pretty sure I've purchased my last Mac.

[maks]

by the way fuck vmware, virtualbox is free on every platform and has a lot more features than vmware player

[elezzzark]

Apple is basically same to Nintendo that never work for third party.

[Plug Drugs]

-No Support for Cross-Platform Developers.
that's because apple is a bunch of dirty jews who want to write ALL mac software under their license so they can keep ALL the money, muwahahaha beautiful money



-No Friendly Support to compile apps for iOS and Mac for testing purpose until pay $ 99 dollars per year.
Again, BEAUTIFUL money, MUWAHAHAHAHAHA


-Windows and Linux can play VMWare Player, but no for mac, there an workaround is VMWare Fusion which is NOT free.
BEAUTIFUL money MWAHAHAHAHA

[elezzzark]

by the way fuck vmware, virtualbox is free on every platform and has a lot more features than vmware player

I know, but i'm developing a Blackberry Playbook apps which requires to use VMware as tablet simulator to install my .bar via local IP.

[elezzzark]

Apple is basically same to Nintendo that never work for third party.

An exception, iTunes for Windows because Apple wouldn't to face the huge complaints from windows users and Safari for windows it sucks, why they would to keep developing Safari for windows, it really sucks and no one uses it, besides Safari for Mac is MUCH BETTER than Safari for windows.

[elezzzark]

Actually, i'm glad about HTML5, i don't really need to configure and deploy app for mac.

[Plug Drugs]

no one would have ever bought an ipod if the marketplace software for it was mac-exclusive

just more evidence that apple are dirty jews just trying to make money

[maks]

that's because apple is a bunch of dirty jews who want to write ALL mac software under their license so they can keep ALL the money, muwahahaha beautiful money


Again, BEAUTIFUL money, MUWAHAHAHAHAHA

BEAUTIFUL money MWAHAHAHAHA

yeah know who never cared about making money? bill gates, richest man in the world.

hey where's the fully featured development environment microsoft makes available for free to anyone running windows?

oh here it is it's $500
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/pricing


I know, but i'm developing a Blackberry Playbook apps which requires to use VMware as tablet simulator to install my .bar via local IP.

virtualbox usually does a pretty good job of running VMware appliances, it supports all the same image file formats

[Camoron]

they were the top corporation in the world at that point, and any business venture was entirely open to them. Some young douchebag comes up to them and says "let's make a little rectangular piece of shit and see if it catches on", they thought "why the fuck not"

microsoft has never come close to being the top corporation in the world, walmart/exxon mobil/shell routinely compete for that spot in recent years, Microsoft can barely break the top 50 in the U.S. let alone the world, they are doing quite a bit BETTER now than they were 10 years ago though

[elezzzark]

yeah know who never cared about making money? bill gates, richest man in the world.

hey where's the fully featured development environment microsoft makes available for free to anyone running windows?

oh here it is it's $500
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/pricing



virtualbox usually does a pretty good job of running VMware appliances, it supports all the same image file formats



Microsoft is horrible and closed-mind company, im using windows because we are living the horrible world.



Oh yes? i will try virtualbox if supports .vmx files when i get chance

[maks]

Microsoft is horrible and closed-mind company, im using windows because we are living the horrible world.



Oh yes? i will try virtualbox if supports .vmx files when i get chance

I can confirm that it supports vmx images.

[elezzzark]

I will try thx

[Camoron]

It doesn't have virus problems for the same reason linux doesn't, because it's a better, more secure, more solid system at every level.

unix based operating systems are more secure but let's not overlook market share as being a pretty big reason

if people had more reason to target Unix based operating systems Apple wouldn't be claiming "immunity" to viruses for very long, Windows IS less secure and has a far larger market share, so it makes sense to exploit it since it's easier and gives access to a much larger "audience"

[Camoron]

yeah know who never cared about making money? bill gates, richest man in the world.


bill gates gives lots of his money away

steve jobs clutched his covetously and probably wore it in a medallion of jew gold around his neck until he died and went to hell for parking his mercedes crooked in handicap spots

[Camoron]

An exception, iTunes for Windows because Apple wouldn't to face the huge complaints from windows users and Safari for windows it sucks, why they would to keep developing Safari for windows, it really sucks and no one uses it, besides Safari for Mac is MUCH BETTER than Safari for windows.
if you are really obsessed with being a hipster minority snob just get opera it is the best browser by far IMO

[elezzzark]

bill gates gives lots of his money away

steve jobs clutched his covetously and probably wore it in a medallion of jew gold around his neck until he died and went to hell for parking his mercedes crooked in handicap spots

That's true, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are visionaries, according to Bill Gates donated new houses in Africa.

Then, Steve Jobs.... NOTHING... when he died, the majority of apple faggots are making tribute to him for nothing. I don't believe he is a person who changed the world, besides Dennis who is creator of C programming language did change the world.

[elezzzark]

if you are really obsessed with being a hipster minority snob just get opera it is the best browser by far IMO

Yes, but no WebGL support until Opera needs to update it soon

[maks]

unix based operating systems are more secure but let's not overlook market share as being a pretty big reason

if people had more reason to target Unix based operating systems Apple wouldn't be claiming "immunity" to viruses for very long, Windows IS less secure and has a far larger market share, so it makes sense to exploit it since it's easier and gives access to a much larger "audience"

Yeah, Windows is a script kiddy's wet dream, easy to exploit and retardedly widespread.


bill gates gives lots of his money away

steve jobs clutched his covetously and probably wore it in a medallion of jew gold around his neck until he died and went to hell for parking his mercedes crooked in handicap spots

That's not a fair comparison, Bill Gates didn't get all altruistic until after he retired, Before that he was as ruthless and greedy as any other fortune 500 ceo. I'm sure if Steve Jobs hadn't died in office he would have gotten involved in charity work, what else are you going to do when you have more than you could ever possibly spend.

[Camoron]

That's not a fair comparison, Bill Gates didn't get all altruistic until after he retired, Before that he was as ruthless and greedy as any other fortune 500 ceo. I'm sure if Steve Jobs hadn't died in office he would have gotten involved in charity work, what else are you going to do when you have more than you could ever possibly spend.

Bill Gates retired so that he COULD get started in charities, Steve Jobs never donated to charity, eliminated Apple charity programs when they brought him back to work there in 97 saying he wanted to "make the company profitable" and then never reinstated them even after all their success, and from what I've heard never had any interest in charities. he spent all his money on sports cars and black turtlenecks. there is no record at all of him giving any of his 8 billion dollars to charity.

[Camoron]

he's also notorious for treating his employees like shit

[Camoron]

and people think he is some kind of visionary

steve wozniak was the real visionary, he saw the potential for a personal computing market before anyone else, steve jobs was just a marketing genius

[maks]

Bill Gates retired so that he COULD get started in charities, Steve Jobs never donated to charity, eliminated Apple charity programs when they brought him back to work there in 97 saying he wanted to "make the company profitable" and then never reinstated them even after all their success, and from what I've heard never had any interest in charities. he spent all his money on sports cars and black turtlenecks. there is no record at all of him giving any of his 8 billion dollars to charity.

He could have given anonymously, I find it hard to believe that a ghuddist was that greedy. idc either way though, I'm a fan of his operating system I couldn't give a fuck about the man. I'm a techie, I like Wozniak.

[maks]

and people think he is some kind of visionary

steve wozniak was the real visionary, he saw the potential for a personal computing market before anyone else, steve jobs was just a marketing genius

a marketing genius is a visionary. without him wozniak never would have made it out of the garage.

[Camoron]

a marketing genius is a visionary. without him wozniak never would have made it out of the garage.

nah marketing geniuses are a dime a dozen in the corporate world, well maybe not a dime a dozen, but wozniak had the idea to bring computers to ordinary people and none of the companies really understood why people would want personal computers

Steve Jobs came back and turned Apple around with all the "think different" advertising crap which worked really well for creating their own niche market, but honestly do we even know if it was Steve Jobs that came up with all of that? I read that many employees accused him of taking credit for things that he didn't come up with, or at least not giving the credit to the people who came up with the ideas. Who knows, maybe he was a genius and a visionary, maybe he was just a shrewd businessman who knew to steal a good idea when he saw one.

I just really don't like Steve Jobs and all the pretentious Apple hipster fanboys

yeah, Mac OS X is good, I think that has more to do with it being Unix based than with Apple though

[jon]

i don't think that's true; wozinak is like carmichael, nearly one with the machine

you can attach a programmer like either of those two to virtually any project and any steve-jobs or john-romero personality anywhere in any field, and they will earn their keep

[jon]

the woz would have probably just worked quietly and dilligently at microsoft instead, which may have been better for all of us

e.g. maybe we wouldn't hate them so much if they were able to fire 100 programmers, slash prices, and get it right the first time, all because woz was a development powerhouse

[jon]

that aside, charity is for faggots, steve jobs did virtually everything right once he got back to apple, and bill gates is a fucking socialist prick

[jon]

charities are for people with an agenda who need to put on that they have a soft touch for appearances

and the recipients of charitable benefits lose their will to earn for themselves, which they're forbidden from doing legally by other means, such as the minimum wage

consequently the latter have little self-respect which makes it all the more difficult to break the cycle and all the easier for them to be manipulated by the former

[jon]

by looking at his vast wealth and deciding to open a foundation, the gates' effectively have stated "we have absolutely no imagination whatsoever" and "let's just throw money at someone else's problem"

there's no magic by which a subsidy works for private foundations and doesn't work for government; it just never works, period

[boobz]

Also they ruined the Macbook Pro. A professional grade laptop should not use SSD exclusively, nor should it's fucking RAM be soldered in. I'm pretty sure I've purchased my last Mac.

my thoughts exactly. i saw the press release for the new macbook pro and thought "i've bought my last one" (i own both an iMac 27" i5 2010 model and macbook pro (early 2012).
I can live without an optical drive most of the time, but soldered ram, only SSD, nah...

[boobz]

PRAISE YOUR LORD!!!

http://www.quillandquire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/steve-jobs.jpg

[maks]

nah marketing geniuses are a dime a dozen in the corporate world, well maybe not a dime a dozen, but wozniak had the idea to bring computers to ordinary people and none of the companies really understood why people would want personal computers

Steve Jobs came back and turned Apple around with all the "think different" advertising crap which worked really well for creating their own niche market, but honestly do we even know if it was Steve Jobs that came up with all of that? I read that many employees accused him of taking credit for things that he didn't come up with, or at least not giving the credit to the people who came up with the ideas. Who knows, maybe he was a genius and a visionary, maybe he was just a shrewd businessman who knew to steal a good idea when he saw one.

I just really don't like Steve Jobs and all the pretentious Apple hipster fanboys

yeah, Mac OS X is good, I think that has more to do with it being Unix based than with Apple though

I don't know about all of that, but I do know apple was failing, on the ropes, but once Steve Jobs was brought back in they became unbelievably successful and now have more liquid assets than the US government

[maks]

charities are for people with an agenda who need to put on that they have a soft touch for appearances

and the recipients of charitable benefits lose their will to earn for themselves, which they're forbidden from doing legally by other means, such as the minimum wage

consequently the latter have little self-respect which makes it all the more difficult to break the cycle and all the easier for them to be manipulated by the former

I love how you make rand paul look like barney frank

[syncan aka ken post jr]

let's argue about dead billonare assholes who stole all there ideas from xerox engineers in the 80's

[TheElJoe]

4 page non girl thread
:cberry:
:bbc:

[sex with dead people]

Mega dork thread.

[blumpkin blownuts]

windows was made in response to the mac's fancy interface. if it wasn't for apple you would be running DOS. deal with it.

which was in turn "based on" xerox alto, except that the alto's mouse had 3x as many buttons as an apple mouse does

[blumpkin blownuts]

you just said a bunch of shit and then said "it happens all the time" to someone whose job it was to write a modern bootloader and real time operating system for the blackfin 548

so, no

and the assembler I wrote for the RISC CPU I designed (largely in TTL) for a term project was custom-designed to support its own instruction set. Someone else wrote a compiler that allowed it to run simplistic C programs, on my instruction set.
You're still not convincing me that an embedded system can process an HLL-compiled program without it being first broken down into instructions native to the architecture.

[blumpkin blownuts]

Whats the point to even benchmarking data throughput anyway, if the same bit of HLL source all runs the at same speed across multiple architectures?

[blumpkin blownuts]

I don't care what Plug Drugs says, he is kind of a windows preacher.

Well, i have serious critics against Apple and their products are:

-No Support for Cross-Platform Developers.
-No Friendly Support to compile apps for iOS and Mac for testing purpose until pay $ 99 dollars per year.
-Windows and Linux can play VMWare Player, but no for mac, there an workaround is VMWare Fusion which is NOT free.
-Buying Apple Products make you an easy developer for other apple products for runtime, but not so easy if you deploy cross platform.
-Requires Certificate from iOS developer porgram before to compile .ipa (ridiculous)
-No Compatible OSX for Virtual Machine on non-apple computers.

I have my own complaints.
I should be able to right-click on an Apple PC.
I should also have a command-line interface, even if it's just reduced to a shell-within-a-gui-shell.
Context "keyboards" should produce the same letter I touch, not the letter two "keys" to the right.
And all of their "smart" dumbterminals, ipad ipod ibook wtf/e that people now use for telephones are purposefully designed to not be rugged in the least - no clamshell designs, no thought at all put towards protecting the screen.
It's hell for the consumer, but it's just everyday business sense. If your product doesn't wear out or go out-of-fashion after too long, then you won't be able to make much money from repeat customers, particularly when the vast majority of a population is forced towards frugality by a shit economy.

[blumpkin blownuts]

I don't care what Plug Drugs says, he is kind of a windows preacher.

Well, i have serious critics against Apple and their products are:

-No Support for Cross-Platform Developers.
-No Friendly Support to compile apps for iOS and Mac for testing purpose until pay $ 99 dollars per year.
-Windows and Linux can play VMWare Player, but no for mac, there an workaround is VMWare Fusion which is NOT free.
-Buying Apple Products make you an easy developer for other apple products for runtime, but not so easy if you deploy cross platform.
-Requires Certificate from iOS developer porgram before to compile .ipa (ridiculous)
-No Compatible OSX for Virtual Machine on non-apple computers.

Also compiling a list of "experts" who jumped into the crock of total shit that Apples can't get viruses/malware.
Harmful software follows consumer trends like a fucking shadow. Apple finally got back on the radar, now people are writing harmful programs for Apple.
Same story with Symantec/McAfee and AVAST. Now that Avast is closing in on No.2 market share, viruses are being written to interfere with Avast processes in particular, as they did for the two previously-mentioned leading antivirus products for over a decade.

[blumpkin blownuts]

and people think he is some kind of visionary

steve wozniak was the real visionary, he saw the potential for a personal computing market before anyone else, steve jobs was just a marketing genius

agreed. I still have a IIgs in storage somewhere with the woz sig

[blumpkin blownuts]

charities are for people with an agenda who need to put on that they have a soft touch for appearances

and the recipients of charitable benefits lose their will to earn for themselves, which they're forbidden from doing legally by other means, such as the minimum wage

consequently the latter have little self-respect which makes it all the more difficult to break the cycle and all the easier for them to be manipulated by the former

with that kind of cynicism and ignorant generalization about charity donors, I wonder if you've volunteered for anything in your life (without expecting something back) did your parents even make you do shit around the house as a kid?

i've never even put on a resume i volunteered at a food bank the 2 years i was unemployed. i did it primarily because there was nothing to do except help people for free, or otherwise just go impress posters on ytmnd forums. i supose i also did it to network for job opps but that led to shit

some people just give a fuck about people they'll never meet.

ask anyone one question: If you could choose to wake up tomorrow with $20 under your pillow, or otherwise, only get $10 under your pillow but everyone else in your area gets $10 too, what do you choose?
That question can separate humans from savages like a fuckin knife blade

[blumpkin blownuts]

there's no magic by which a subsidy works for private foundations and doesn't work for government; it just never works, period

farm subsidies used to be great for controlling food prices, until over 90% of our meat started coming from meat factories/CAFOs, and giant conglomerates monopolized everything from water rights to seed-grain availability to the ever-shrinking amount of family farms

[blumpkin blownuts]

those subsidies are still there it's just that almost all of it goes to Monsanto, ConAgra, Cargill, et al instead of families now

[maks]

which was in turn "based on" xerox alto, except that the alto's mouse had 3x as many buttons as an apple mouse does

I'm aware of that, xerox may have invented the gui but it was apple that thought to make one for consumers. If it wasn't for the mac the idea of a graphical desktop would still be nothing but a footnote.

[maks]

I have my own complaints.
I should be able to right-click on an Apple PC.
I should also have a command-line interface, even if it's just reduced to a shell-within-a-gui-shell.
Context "keyboards" should produce the same letter I touch, not the letter two "keys" to the right.
And all of their "smart" dumbterminals, ipad ipod ibook wtf/e that people now use for telephones are purposefully designed to not be rugged in the least - no clamshell designs, no thought at all put towards protecting the screen.
It's hell for the consumer, but it's just everyday business sense. If your product doesn't wear out or go out-of-fashion after too long, then you won't be able to make much money from repeat customw@ers, particularly when the vast majority of a population is forced towards frugality by a shit economy.

Osx has a right click and has for as long as I've been using it. It also has a shell, in fact its bash the same thing you'd get in any other bsd or linux distro. It includes all the gnu shell utilities you'd expect, including ssh which for me is incredibly convenient beecause I use ssh for bloody everything.

[blumpkin blownuts]

no, let's keep deregulating, let's setup an undeniable oligarchy, an elephant so large it barely even fits in the room, and blame on Obama! It all happened on his watch with not a polarized congress, nor a polarzied supreme court, nor teabaggers and "birthers" nor anyone else could stop his card house he started after ensuring Glass-Steagall was killed off!

you dumb mother fuckers

[Camoron]

with that kind of cynicism and ignorant generalization about charity donors, I wonder if you've volunteered for anything in your life (without expecting something back) did your parents even make you do shit around the house as a kid?

i've never even put on a resume i volunteered at a food bank the 2 years i was unemployed. i did it primarily because there was nothing to do except help people for free, or otherwise just go impress posters on ytmnd forums. i supose i also did it to network for job opps but that led to shit

some people just give a fuck about people they'll never meet.

ask anyone one question: If you could choose to wake up tomorrow with $20 under your pillow, or otherwise, only get $10 under your pillow but everyone else in your area gets $10 too, what do you choose?
That question can separate humans from savages like a fuckin knife blade

I think a more potent question would be "would you rather have a million dollars or have ten thousand and give ten thousand dollars to 100 other people"

10 bucks is nothing to sweat over

[Camoron]

farm subsidies used to be great for controlling food prices, until over 90% of our meat started coming from meat factories/CAFOs, and giant conglomerates monopolized everything from water rights to seed-grain availability to the ever-shrinking amount of family farms

did u just watch Food Inc? my mom keeps trying to get me to watch it

dont really care about the farm industry but its important stuff I guess

[Camoron]

that aside, charity is for faggots, steve jobs did virtually everything right once he got back to apple, and bill gates is a fucking socialist prick

a poor guy angry at a rich guy who wants to willingly give away his money to the poor guys like him

even if you disagree on an economic basis, i dont understand how you can look at him in such disgust

[Garfield]

mac is nothing more than an amiga ripoff japanese invented nintendo in 1990 and have been leading the graphical interface market for genreations

[blumpkin blownuts]

anyway looks like jon and marks are p much right, i was thinking more of assemblers explicitly rather than compilers or OS (and boot modules, interrupt controller, MMU's and other small exceptions)

at today's tool sizes and speeds pretty much any HLL will cross-compile for any modern-day instruction set (with few notable exceptions), but i'm still holding out that your compilers are only as capable as your assembler, and your assembler is only as capable as the machinery it operates on

cant lie that im unimpressed about your bluefin work though. I hadnt even heard of it until now, but it looks like it has more native memory-mappings than my desktop CPU, NB and SB do combined

[blumpkin blownuts]

pretty fucking humbling to learn 10yrs after graduating your curriculum was already 10yrs out of date
then again, it's not the first Life Lesson i've learned by posting here.

[blumpkin blownuts]

did u just watch Food Inc? my mom keeps trying to get me to watch it

dont really care about the farm industry but its important stuff I guess

farming? it's only the literal bread & butter of this country's output capacity since colonial times
Then, early & aggressive (compared to other countries) adaptation of mechanized farming ensured nobody in this country (and many others as well) would ever die of starvation.
Then, the advent of industrialized farming undid that last century's worth of agricultural progress. Todays "farmers" are usually in suits in high-rise offices several states away from their "farms", and none of our meat or produce is fit for consumption until it's been sanitized by strong chemicals, drugs & radiation, and suddenly we're all the way back to the 19th century with rampant & widespread, food-borne illnesses. (Then again, such outbreaks were much more localized back then & so weren't as harmful as the ones we face today)

watched food inc a couple years ago. dug a little deeper since, and now I have some kind of fucking food-anxiety disorder. so if you enjoy eating meals then i recommend you make a point to learn as little about the food industry as you possibly can

[blumpkin blownuts]

and yespeople get sick more often from something they got at the Farmers' Market than they get from FeedCorp, Inc, but that's because it's pretty damn difficult to issue recalls on your tomato patch. FeedCorp can afford such recalls and compliance penalties easily - in some states, (IOWA) fines paid by food factory operators can make-or-break budgets for the fiscal year.