me playing guitar (don't act like you're not impressed)

[Plug Drugs]

:rockout::rockout::rockout:
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:rockout::rockout::rockout:

[Plug Drugs]

i used to be a guitar zero. now i'm almost a guitar hero.

[maks]

godsmack? really? honestly, godsmack?

[Garfield]

your guitars out of tune

[Plug Drugs]

godsmack? really? honestly, godsmack?

how can you not like godsmack

[Garfield]

godsmack is just a nirvana ripoff justlike the melvins

[Garfield]

kurt cobain the one and only

[Plug Drugs]

serenity is one of the first songs i learned, its fun to play

[Garfield]

guitar monthly

[Plug Drugs]

i dont even know what that is, is that a magazine or something

[Garfield]

nirvana is the original tool

[Plug Drugs]

mounts can be obtained at level 40 and cost approximately 90 gold

[Garfield]

ill mount you for free

[Plug Drugs]

i'll mount your mom for free with my tool

[Plug Drugs]

:goodone:

[Garfield]

i tihnk the sudafed is drying out my plant leaves

[maks]

how can you not like godsmack

well lets see probably because they suck and are talentless

[Plug Drugs]

that's just like, your opinion, man

[m0nde]

i hit "like"

[rubycalaber]

actually pretty badass

were you the other guy who had a like guitar duel with Akiraaaaaaaaaaa that one time?

[Gentleman Doli]

your guitar sounds weird as fuck

[Desolation]

Sun kissed and Sudafed gyroscopes and infrared

[Desolation]

I liked the Right In Two lick

[maks]

that's just like, your opinion, man

no, it's pretty well established fact that godsmack sucks and are talentless. for proof please see any godsmack song ever but especially 'voodoo'

[Garfield]

actually pretty badass

were you the other guy who had a like guitar duel with Akiraaaaaaaaaaa that one time?

that was me and iwon

[rootbeer]

royal won

[rubycalaber]

that was me and iwon

think you could take plugdrugs?

its time for The Internet Guitar Battle 2: This Time It's Personal

[Plug Drugs]

gshhd

[Plug Drugs]

no, it's pretty well established fact that godsmack sucks and are talentless. for proof please see any godsmack song ever but especially 'voodoo'
music is just music,
if we all based what we listened to on talent alone, then nobody would listen to anything besides eddie van halen, mozart and beethoven

[maks]

music is just music,
if we all based what we listened to on talent alone, then nobody would listen to anything besides eddie van halen, mozart and beethoven

music is not music, some of it is shit. like godsmack, they're shit.

[lnopia the great]

musick only exists to evoke a certain feeling and awhatevr gay shit that may trigger that feeling is still triggering it none the less

[lnopia the great]

drunk stoned and very aroused wonder if ill feel different in the morning

[Plug Drugs]

:hmm:

[Plug Drugs]

musick only exists to evoke a certain feeling and awhatevr gay shit that may trigger that feeling is still triggering it none the less

this is actually an interesting thing to think about.
One of the things I've always wondered is, does our music evoke the same emotions in other mammals? Perhaps they just aren't listening to the music, so it doesn't; or perhaps they are innately incapable of comprehending music; or perhaps a certain sequence of pitches only evokes a certain emotion that's unique to us as human beings.

It's all very ambiguous it seems. If I had a few hundred thousand dollars of federal funding, I'd study it and find answers, but sadly I don't. I am but a junkie, and have no college degree such that the federal government would trust me with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[Plug Drugs]

My guess is that they don't, for the most part. Although I vaguely remember dogs that were capable of barking along with a song, perhaps some of the 'smarter' dogs can comprehend simple melodies that evoke very simple and straightforward emotions, like casual happiness or comfort.

And many species of birds apparently communicate through what sounds to us as 'song', but does it sound to them like 'song'? Perhaps they might not even be consciously aware of the noise they make, as it is very genetically automated.

Then again, notions such as "consciously aware" may not even apply to animals, as they might only be as 'consciously aware' insomuch as they have to be for survival - possibly.

[Plug Drugs]

music is not music, some of it is shit. like godsmack, they're shit.

I can understand that the song "Voodoo" is void of melodic complexity, and that a lot of godsmack is shit, but I think they still have a few songs that are worth listening to. If Pink Floyd had wrote the song Serenity back in the day, you'd be all in to it, you'd be amazed like "I can't believe Pink Floyd made something that sounds so heavy and is still so awesome!"
Should a band's music be classified as good or bad just based on their namesake?

I think a lot of Iron Maiden sucks, a statement which most of my friends would lynch me for making. I think people like the imagery associated with Iron Maiden as opposed to their music itself - their music doesn't seem to stand by itself in my opinion (except for a few songs).

[Plug Drugs]

the reason i think "mainstream" bands usually sound better than underground bands (or whatever you want to call them) is because if you're in a band, you'd almost need that guarantee of a record deal before you can devote yourself to the time it takes to write good material.

Picture yourself in a band member's situation: usually a band's first one or two albums suck - is that because they eventually "got better" later on, or because they "hadn't found their sound yet"? Or is it because they never had the time to write decent material prior to getting picked up, nor the guarantee that their music would even be listened to? I think once a band lands a record deal, and they start working in a legitimate studio, they are able to devote themselves to writing their music which delivers a better end result.

If you don't agree with all that, and maybe are thinking "well I have shitloads of free-time and none of that's true for me", I suggest trying to pick up an instrument and play it; it's far easier than you think. Becoming a good musician isn't a matter of technical ability or public image, it's a matter of having the will to do it.

I'm not saying that I'm a good musician by any means, I am a mediocre musician. But the guy who taught me how to play guitar is a fucking genius on the guitar, but he's a shut-in who does nothing but play world of warcraft all day and tweak on adderall. He's not the best looking guy, but he's a fucking prodigy when it comes to the guitar - and he wasn't just naturally born to play the guitar, he put effort in to it back when he was a teenager. Before there was internet to waste his life away on, he was wasting his life away listening to the radio and playing guitar. I've tried talking him in to putting some of his stuff online, or trying to get in to a band, but ultimately he just doesn't have the motivation or the will to do that.

Then I see and hear all the time bands getting famous over youtube, and their music is really only 'good', not great (a lot of its downright garbage). If half the people out there with aspirations to become a musician or w/e they've always wanted to be went out and actually started doing it, the music industry (and society as a whole) wouldn't be in the toilet that it's in.

We look back at bands from the 60s and 70s and look at them as Gods, but really they were just completely normal people who happened to start playing an instrument when they were a teenager. Music as a whole took a slump in the late 80s because too many morons were admiring the fame that came with being a musician and weren't in it for the right reasons, and this idiocy rubbed off on a lot of other people as well. Although, the music-centered culture rebounded in the early 90s to bring us grunge and new genres, a lot of which are really good.

The musical culture is undoubtedly in another slump right now, and has been since at least the early 2000s. I just hope that since a rebound was possible in the past, that a rebound is possible again, and hopefully we won't be stuck indefinitely with shit music.

[Plug Drugs]

Damn I'm tweaking hard right now

[Dustin]

godsmack? really? honestly, godsmack?

[Dustin]

music is subjective so everyone is wrong all the time, unless its godsmack they suck.

[maks]

I can understand that the song "Voodoo" is void of melodic complexity, and that a lot of godsmack is shit, but I think they still have a few songs that are worth listening to. If Pink Floyd had wrote the song Serenity back in the day, you'd be all in to it, you'd be amazed like "I can't believe Pink Floyd made something that sounds so heavy and is still so awesome!"
Should a band's music be classified as good or bad just based on their namesake?

I think a lot of Iron Maiden sucks, a statement which most of my friends would lynch me for making. I think people like the imagery associated with Iron Maiden as opposed to their music itself - their music doesn't seem to stand by itself in my opinion (except for a few songs).

The band has nothing to do with it, if Pink Floyd had written a Godsmack song it wouldn't automatically been good, it would have been a really shitty Pink Floyd song. Serenity is a shitty song no matter whose label you attach to it. It's not like Pink Floyd ever made a bad album, Atom Heart Mother is godawful.

Whether or not you like Iron Maiden is irrelevant, they did new things and were hugely influential. Godsmack makes shitty generic hard rock, they don't innovate, and their influence on the genre and music in general has been null.


music is subjective so everyone is wrong all the time, unless its godsmack they suck.

this.

[maks]

Plus he thinks nirvana came before the melvins, lol.

that was garfield trolling

[rubycalaber]

all I now is my dog is scared of dubstep

[Garfield]

guitar battle 2012

[lnopia the great]

the reason i think "mainstream" bands usually sound better than underground bands (or whatever you want to call them) is because if you're in a band, you'd almost need that guarantee of a record deal before you can devote yourself to the time it takes to write good material.

popular music is popular because it is popular

[Garfield]

because politicians pick out bands for us to listen to to gain their votes listen to rihanna supporting obama in every almost song and god smack is literraly just a vessel for right wing christians to spread their "voodoo" all over america to alienate any true religions (jewishness, muslims, buddhas, etc)

[Garfield]

thats why i only listen to indie bands because they give me the freeedom of choosing what to listen to

[Garfield]

if at anytime i think they may try to be sending a message i can just turn it off, unlike these megasuperneonazibands i cant turn them off, theyre fucking everywhere, tv, cars, radio, somebody elses car, grocery stores, comcast on demand

[lnopia the great]

if a youtube video has more then 10 000 views i dont watch it

[Garfield]

ditto that

[rootbeer]

riiiiiight lol

[Gentleman Doli]

Josie and the Pussie Cats yall :grin: :grin: :grin:

[rootbeer]

yeah why watch scooby doo, when u can watch mother fucking jabber jaw?

[maks]

because jabber jaw is a faggot. speed buggy is where it's at.

[rootbeer]

i dare you to call jabber jaw a faggot to his face

[Garfield]

i personally prefer anything powdered toast man

[maks]

i dare you to call jabber jaw a faggot to his face

jabber jaw will openly admit to being a faggot, he has weekly orgies with pixie, dixie, yakky doodle, and grape ape.

[maks]

guess which one is always on top

http://www.tvacres.com/images/grape_ape.jpg

[maks]

that's because snagglepuss isn't relevant to this conversation, him and huckleberry hound live quietly and monogamously in a small costal resort town in maine.

[maks]

they used to go to the art museum with yogi and boo boo pretty regularly before yogi died of aids

[maks]

lower white count than your av-er-age bear

[maks]

gay old time
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lebcgsxYCt1qc7ddzo1_500.jpg

[lnopia the great]

officially unsubscribing from this thread

[Plug Drugs]

Yeah no shit, why don't you go watch some porn and jerk offf and then NOT tell us anything about that mkay.

more evidence of cody's lack of an attentionspan.
Instead of just not reading it, he actually get's highly offended by any post with more than four sentences

[Gentleman Doli]

glad i klicked this thread LOL... some laughs, soem good times. those are good burgers walter

[Plug Drugs]

popular music is popular because it is popular

have you ever tried playing a musical instrument before?
It's not like riding a bicycle; if you don't practice every day (or at least once a week) you actually lose skill.
Most people don't have the time to throw away learning to play an instrument, and getting really good with that instrument. However, if you have a record deal, then you are getting paid to throw time away learning the instrument to mastership -- therefore, mainstream rock bands tend to be better than underground (the exception of course is the majority of rock bands for the past 10 years)

[Gentleman Doli]

i can play three instrumments u litle bitch come at me. fuck me up.

[Gentleman Doli]

i can play the cock flute, the violin on a womans vagina,a nd the Anal Drum. if u were wondering :wink: :grin: :grin: (very twisted i know...)

[Plug Drugs]

thats why i only listen to indie bands because they give me the freeedom of choosing what to listen to

There is good trolling and bad trolling.
When you say something as bait to trick people into believing you on such a minor level that it is hardly noticed by anyone but yourself, it's bad trolling, because it just means you're not confident enough to share real opinions about yourself.

Good trolling is when you trick someone and then get them to freak out like a child; this is good trolling because its funny

[Plug Drugs]

lvl 20 now bronana

http://www.audi-tt.ru/forum/phpBB2/images/smiles/facepalm.gif

[lnopia the great]

have you ever tried playing a musical instrument before?
It's not like riding a bicycle; if you don't practice every day (or at least once a week) you actually lose skill.
Most people don't have the time to throw away learning to play an instrument, and getting really good with that instrument. However, if you have a record deal, then you are getting paid to throw time away learning the instrument to mastership -- therefore, mainstream rock bands tend to be better than underground (the exception of course is the majority of rock bands for the past 10 years)


look at this guy thinking that popular music is the most talented

[Garfield]

There is good trolling and bad trolling.
When you say something as bait to trick people into believing you on such a minor level that it is hardly noticed by anyone but yourself, it's bad trolling, because it just means you're not confident enough to share real opinions about yourself.

Good trolling is when you trick someone and then get them to freak out like a child; this is good trolling because its funny
you mean irony, youre not talking bout trolling youve been misinformed once again, go look it up on wikipedia

[Plug Drugs]

look at this guy thinking that popular music is the most talented

nah i'm talking about big name classic rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd...
I've yet to find an underground band that's at par with Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd

[Gentleman Doli]

holy shitt t lokda t atll thes fucking great thread Olol lLLLLLOl ghwahagaha

[maks]

if indie bands are so great why aren't they popular

[Plug Drugs]

if indie bands are so great why aren't they popular

[lnopia the great]

cause you can't have winners without losers

[maks]

'underground' and 'indy' imply bands no one has heard of. A lot of people seem to think that alone makes them automatically better. My question is if they are really that good, why hasn't anyone heard of them? We live in an age where you can put your music in front of millions of people for free. You don't have to sign anything so your dipshit fans can't even accuse you of selling out to the evil recording industry.

[Garfield]

indy bands are cooler because of that im not going to listen to popular bands becuse i want to be cool plain and simple

[maks]

indy bands are cooler because of that im not going to listen to popular bands becuse i want to be cool plain and simple

pretty much

[lnopia the great]

because free advertising requires the market to put in some effort (follow their links, go out of my way to listen to their potentially shitty music, etc) whereas dollar advertising is force fed to me inbetween something i'm doing (tv adverts, billboards, radio commercials/airplay)

[lnopia the great]

for example i get facebook invites and all this othher "come see us" shit from these people i went to school with and have a band and even though i know half the band and might even think they are really good, ill never know because i just have never given a fuck and dont feel like going out of my way

[maks]

because free advertising requires the market to put in some effort (follow their links, go out of my way to listen to their potentially shitty music, etc) whereas dollar advertising is force fed to me inbetween something i'm doing (tv adverts, billboards, radio commercials/airplay)

when was the last time you listened to a band because you saw them on a billboard? who even listens to radio anymore? most people discover music through word of mouth, if your band is good and they have a youtube video people will have heard of your band. if they haven't it's probably because no one shared it with their friends because no one liked it.

[Gentleman Doli]

:hipsterdog: :hipsterwin: :lehipster: I fucking hate hipsters. Fuck off, hipster s lol. Yeah they wear theyre cool cordorioes and the ipads and they listen to bon iver. Hurrrrrr. hipster fail

[maks]

you're old you are no longer a driving force behind pop culture especially music. 18 year olds don't listen to the radio.

[lnopia the great]

a lot of people still listen to the radio, and i have heard of record companies buying their own product to chart faster

[Garfield]

i just listen to whatever i like that appropriately fits my current mood. music is meant for everyone and doesnt need to be argued over no matter what ill never like shitty bands like godsmack so quit trying to make me

[Gentleman Doli]

I listen to one radio :smug: :Hipstersmug: Its called the BBC World News bitch

[Gentleman Doli]

youve heard the news from the bbc. now its your turn. call us at country code 592 209 592 or get in touch via twitter

[lnopia the great]

there have been psych studies suggesting that people will favor music they are told is a hit/popular, which is exactly what advertising is deisgned to do

[Gentleman Doli]

*smiles sarcasticaly* Fucking sheeple lol.

[maks]

a lot of people in canada still listen to the radio, and i have heard of record companies buying their own product to chart faster

important distinction

[Plug Drugs]

when was the last time you listened to a band because you saw them on a billboard? who even listens to radio anymore? most people discover music through word of mouth, if your band is good and they have a youtube video people will have heard of your band. if they haven't it's probably because no one shared it with their friends because no one liked it.
This is actually a big problem that is going to lead to the death of the music culture if it keeps going the way it's going.
The thing was back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, is that talented people would eventually congregate in California (or Seattle in the case of Grunge). They did this because they were committed to what they were doing. Of course, there were a lot of failures who congregated in Hollywood too, but the point is that the music industry turned in to a machine that would pump out good music (it would pump out bad music too, but good music was bound to come out once in a while).

With the internet, this machine died, plain and simple.

When's the last time you heard a good song that was "new", and not a song that you liked just because of the image associated with the band.

In the words of Sick Boy "Yeah its not bad but its not great either, is it? and in your heart although you know it sounds 'alright' its actually just shite"

[Gentleman Doli]

plug drugs why do you type so many words

[Plug Drugs]

there have been psych studies suggesting that people will favor music they are told is a hit/popular, which is exactly what advertising is deisgned to do

most people don't have a bullshit detector anymore either, it's scary

[Plug Drugs]

plug drugs why do you type so many words

just speed read that shit, skim it, 10 seconds tops bro

and its because of adderall
I end up wanting to type a damn thesis every time i start out a post, my fingers just start flapping around on the keyboard uncontrollably and i have to sit here and wait till the spasm is over and the post has finished being typed

[Gentleman Doli]

im not reading it but im going to guess about 80% of it is shit you have almost no clue about but its presented in a way that makes it sound like you`re the worlds foremost expert

[Plug Drugs]

you think that's what i'm all about don't you

[Gentleman Doli]

The British Invasion was a pretty defining moment in both nations histories, actually. Through the 60s, 70s, 80s, all that shit, you had a fucking military occupation going on. At least some badass music came out of the subjugation of America, though... and I like to think it was sort of a marching song that was played when we helped beat back Big Brother's government in 1984.

[Plug Drugs]

The Beatles are over-hyped,
and I think most of the British stuff was created as a result of the young future British-musicians interpreting American rock and roll from the 50s

Once rock and roll went overseas to Europe, it was able to evolve past its simplistic blues and folk rhythm to incorporate melodies found in traditional European classical.
So I guess I agree, Britain was crucial to music as we know it

[maks]

This is actually a big problem that is going to lead to the death of the music culture if it keeps going the way it's going.
The thing was back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, is that talented people would eventually congregate in California (or Seattle in the case of Grunge). They did this because they were committed to what they were doing. Of course, there were a lot of failures who congregated in Hollywood too, but the point is that the music industry turned in to a machine that would pump out good music (it would pump out bad music too, but good music was bound to come out once in a while).

With the internet, this machine died, plain and simple.


the advent of the internet means that the entire world is california now I'm not sure how congregating in one specific area of the country is any more convenient than congregating on youtube and facebook. he music industry has no interest in pumping out good music, they are interested in pumping out whatever people will buy.



When's the last time you heard a good song that was "new", and not a song that you liked just because of the image associated with the band.


most of what's "new" to me isn't necessarily "new". probably the last rush album, the last ween album, or the last corporate avenger album, I dunno which came out most recently. people who care about music couldn't give a fuck about the "image" of the band that's purely for marketing to the posers.

[Plug Drugs]

anyways my point was that people aren't ready to decide for themselves what they like and don't like again,
they've been spoon-fed for too long

So the "underground internet music scene" is just pumping out one load of garbage after the next

[maks]

The Beatles are over-hyped

every single successful musician since the beatles will willingly claim the beatles as one of their influences, regardless of their background, regardless of the genre. it's not hype if it's true.

[rootbeer]

actually i would argue that most modern music has a "good sound", but its just retarded lyrics and no actual musicians

[maks]

anyways my point was that people aren't ready to decide for themselves what they like and don't like again,
they've been spoon-fed for too long

So the "underground internet music scene" is just pumping out one load of garbage after the next

you're still missing the point. there are no good underground bands because the good ones become popular and cease to be underground.

[maks]

actually i would argue that most modern music has a "good sound", but its just retarded lyrics and no actual musicians

I am the egg man. Goo goo ga joob.

[Plug Drugs]

most of what's "new" to me isn't necessarily "new". probably the last rush album, the last ween album, or the last corporate avenger album, I dunno which came out most recently. people who care about music couldn't give a fuck about the "image" of the band that's purely for marketing to the posers.

There is a huge gray area in what constitutes a band's image. You could say that music itself brings image and self-identity with it whether sought after or not. You have to identify with the emotion being portrayed musically or else it won't sound good

One thing a lot of music historians will tell people is that if you want to understand what kind of frame of mind people had in distant generations of the past, listen to the music that was popular back then - the emotions in the melody are usually a good representation of what emotions people back then identified with.

[maks]

There is a huge gray area in what constitutes a band's image. You could say that music itself brings image and self-identity with it whether sought after or not. You have to identify with the emotion being portrayed musically or else it won't sound good

One thing a lot of music historians will tell people is that if you want to understand what kind of frame of mind people had in distant generations of the past, listen to the music that was popular back then - the emotions in the melody are usually a good representation of what emotions people back then identified with.

why do you say image when you mean sound, genre, or style?

[Plug Drugs]

every single successful musician since the beatles will willingly claim the beatles as one of their influences, regardless of their background, regardless of the genre. it's not hype if it's true.

To me, the Beatles (especially the songs written by Paul McCartney) sound way too repetitive, simple, and up-beat, like some sort of children's song you'd have to sing during music class in grade school.
I like the Beatles' more psychedelic songs (strawberry fields forever, I am the walrus, etc) and not-so-coincidentally John Lennon was the main writer for those songs - he was the Beatles' sole source of creativity as far as I'm concerned.

One thing I've noticed with a lot of Beatles songs is that they'll have a good sound and style up until the chorus (which was probably written by McCartney) which sounds again like those repetitive up-beat grade-school songs "Mary had a little lamb" and whatnot

[Plug Drugs]

why do you say image when you mean sound, genre, or style?

synaesthesia from drug use maybe

[Plug Drugs]

also when people use the word "image" in music culture, they don't typically mean a single frame or visual image, they mean the impression that something gives.
This impression often includes a band's principles, philosophy, and beliefs

its not just the clothes they wear or what kind of car they drive

[maks]

To me, the Beatles (especially the songs written by Paul McCartney) sound way too repetitive, simple, and up-beat, like some sort of children's song you'd have to sing during music class in grade school.
I like the Beatles' more psychedelic songs (strawberry fields forever, I am the walrus, etc) and not-so-coincidentally John Lennon was the main writer for those songs - he was the Beatles' sole source of creativity as far as I'm concerned.One thing I've noticed with a lot of Beatles songs is that they'll have a good sound and style up until the chorus (which was probably written by McCartney) which sounds again like those repetitive up-beat grade-school songs "Mary had a little lamb" and whatnot

Sounds more like you're comparing early vs later rather than lennon vs mccartney. also, the simple answer is they needed each other. Listen to Lennon's solo records where he's working with yoko instead of paul and you'll understand. if lennon hadn't been part of that team he'd be remembered like fogerty or neil young, not john fucking lennon.

Anyway, it's fine that you don't like them, but that's completely subjective. Whether or not they are over-hyped is objective, and if anything they are under-hyped considering they influenced every single act that came after them.

[Plug Drugs]

most people like bandss with a simpler "image" (getting laid, getting money, doing drugs, and just being an asshole in general)

[maks]

also when people use the word "image" in music culture, they don't typically mean a single frame or visual image, they mean the impression that something gives.
This impression often includes a band's principles, philosophy, and beliefs

its not just the clothes they wear or what kind of car they drive

their principals, philosophy, and beliefs are no different than the clothes they wear. I'm paying these people to play me songs, not bitch about freeing tibet. I think it's great what Bono is doing for little black kids doesn't make U2 suck any less in my book.

[Plug Drugs]

Sounds more like you're comparing early vs later rather than lennon vs mccartney. also, the simple answer is they needed each other. Listen to Lennon's solo records where he's working with yoko instead of paul and you'll understand. if lennon hadn't been part of that team he'd be remembered like fogerty or neil young, not john fucking lennon.

They needed each other may be, but if you took out John Lennon and replaced him with someone else, all the psychedelica would have been gone and The Beatles would have been indistinguishable from the beach boys.

I can't comment on John Lennon's solo material because I haven't heard enough of it, but I bet it would have sounded a lot better if he did it with a group of peers and not yoko ono. I actually have a John Lennon / Yoko Ono vinyl in a box right next to me, but never listened to it just because of its reputation, should I give it a whirl for educational purposes?

[Plug Drugs]

their principals, philosophy, and beliefs are no different than the clothes they wear. I'm paying these people to play me songs, not bitch about freeing tibet. I think it's great what Bono is doing for little black kids doesn't make U2 suck any less in my book.
The emotions you indentify with in a song are fine-tuned to your beliefs whether you know it or not. Why do you think pink floyd and led zeppelin are almost universally panned as stoner music by people who don't like them? It wasn't their "image" as you define it; they dressed the same as most other bands when up on stage.

Tool's drummer Danny wears a college basketball jersey up on stage a lot; Maynard sometimes doesn't wear anything at all and shaves off every piece of hair on his face to be completely void of "image" as much as possible so he can build a new image from the bottom up.. Tool has image though, a lot of it. idk.. that's just a theory of the stoned though.

[maks]

They needed each other may be, but if you took out John Lennon and replaced him with someone else, all the psychedelica would have been gone and The Beatles would have been indistinguishable from the beach boys.


That they would have sounded like the beach boys is a bit of a stretch, george harrison was way more psychedelic than lennon they just never let him write anything. in terms of success though, they would have been right there with the beach boys you're right about taht.




I can't comment on John Lennon's solo material because I haven't heard enough of it, but I bet it would have sounded a lot better if he did it with a group of peers and not yoko ono. I actually have a John Lennon / Yoko Ono vinyl in a box right next to me, but never listened to it just because of its reputation, should I give it a whirl for educational purposes?

depends on what's on it. watching the wheels is a good example of what I'm talking about. It's a very good song, but it's missing something you can't quite put your finger on, like it's almost dead or something. Paul would have given it what it was missing, either in the writing or in the studio. I'm sure about that.

[maks]

The emotions you indentify with in a song are fine-tuned to your beliefs whether you know it or not. Why do you think pink floyd and led zeppelin are almost universally panned as stoner music by people who don't like them? It wasn't their "image" as you define it; they dressed the same as most other bands when up on stage.


They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.



Tool's drummer Danny wears a college basketball jersey up on stage a lot; Maynard sometimes doesn't wear anything at all and shaves off every piece of hair on his face to be completely void of "image" as much as possible so he can build a new image from the bottom up.. idk.. that's just a theory of the stoned though

maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.

[maks]

You got something to say about John Fogerty?

yes, he's nowhere near as popular or influential as john lennon. they're barely even on the same planet.

[maks]

of course they do you live in virginia. call me crazy but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that lynard skynard probably does really well in those polls too.

[rootbeer]

of course they do you live in virginia. call me crazy but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that lynard skynard probably does really well in those polls too.
both are fantastic bands i dont see your point lol

[maks]

both are fantastic bands i dont see your point lol

my point is they're both much bigger in the south and a radio station poll in virgina in no way means that ccr is bigger than the beatles. don't get emotional about this, I'm not saying anything positive or negative about their talents, just comparing their popularity and influence.

[rootbeer]

my point is they're both much bigger in the south and a radio station poll in virgina in no way means that ccr is bigger than the beatles. don't get emotional about this, I'm not saying anything positive or negative about their talents, just comparing their popularity and influence.

if you try to insult ccr again im going to get very emotional

[Plug Drugs]

That they would have sounded like the beach boys is a bit of a stretch, george harrison was way more psychedelic than lennon they just never let him write anything. in terms of success though, they would have been right there with the beach boys you're right about taht.
I honestly don't know enough about the Beatles to say anything more
All I know is when I google a song I like by the Beatles, turns out it was written by John Lennon
When I google a song I think is shit by the Beatles, turns out it was written by McCartney

[Plug Drugs]

They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.
So our difference in how we define "image" is that you view "image" as what is public interpretation, where as I view "image" as something that comes along inherently in the music, before the public has even listened to it


maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.
I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".
What Tool should do is sell their records without any album covers, song names, and have no public appearance at all. They've got something in their music that is beyond what a normal rock band can get across, at least that's how I feel anyways.

if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

[maks]

You spelled it wrong.

ccr's better anyway




I honestly don't know enough about the Beatles to say anything more
All I know is when I google a song I like by the Beatles, turns out it was written by John Lennon
When I google a song I think is shit by the Beatles, turns out it was written by McCartney

When I google a song I think is shit by the beatles turns out it was written by ringo

[maks]

if you try to insult ccr again im going to get very emotional

I love ccr but if I could go back in time and kill them and it meant that kid rock would never exist I would totally do that

[maks]

I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".


If they were all about the music you wouldn't know their names. They want to be celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that.




if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

Hardcore drinking the kool-aid on this one

[Gentleman Doli]

PlbdaxJEv6U

[maks]

I dunno about better, but not as overplayed, skynyrd is a bit overplayed in these here mountains.

subjectively, imo, etc. I personally would rather listen to CCR how's that.

[Gentleman Doli]

classic rock station: where we play free bird every 30 minutes lol

[maks]

classic rock station: where we play free bird every 30 minutes lol

THE ROCK, 106.9 WCCC. Connecticut's ONLY rock station. That was "Hotel California", coming up next we've got "Freebird", followed by more Freebird and some Hotel California. Then we're gonna play Freebird.

[Gentleman Doli]

i usually hear black dog or ramble on more often which are way more annoying songs

[maks]

what classic rock stations really need to do is discover a rush song that isn't tom sawyer

[maks]

in fact only one track down on the same cd is 'red barchetta' which is a way better song and one that everybody isn't sick of yet

[maks]

I've never heard working man on the radio ever in my life, in fact the first time I ever heard that song it was the dream theater cover of it and that just kind of ruined it for me

also I know I'm the one who brought them up but do not get me started on dream theater unless you want this thread to go 20 pages

[maks]

Dream Theater should have an "Up our own asses" contest with Tool, REM, and Radiohead

[maks]

Is it weird that I love Rush and Queensryche but hate a band that alternates between trying really hard to be Rush and trying really hard to be Queensryche?

[Plug Drugs]

Yeah and then their album sales will reflect the same as another indy band.

Is that why even the more famous artists can only dream of having Tool's number of record sales?
Even though Tool gets played on the radio considerably less than other artists

[Plug Drugs]

Dream Theater should have an "Up our own asses" contest with Tool, REM, and Radiohead

it's interesting to me that a you think a band that tries as hard as they can as human beings not to be up their own asses, is up their own ass

[Plug Drugs]

I've never heard working man on the radio ever in my life, in fact the first time I ever heard that song it was the dream theater cover of it and that just kind of ruined it for me

also I know I'm the one who brought them up but do not get me started on dream theater unless you want this thread to go 20 pages

i've never even listened to them but my friend goes on and on about them

[Plug Drugs]

hmmm just tried listening to some dream theater on youtube..
i actually don't want to listen to any more of it for fear that it may ruin my taste in music and skill as a guitar player,
it sounds like what me and my friends come up with improvising on the guitar when we think "what would sound cool to other people and sound like we possess complexity?"
i guarantee they are just building together bits and pieces of riffs they heard other bands play, and constructing them in a way that sounds original

[Plug Drugs]

then again, a lot of megadeth sounds like that: filler placed inbetween the good riffs that was made up based on whatever their muscle memory was for hitting frets with their fingers. Aka noise

[maks]

tries as hard as they can as human beings not to be up their own asses

that's kind of the point, their gimmick is not having a gimmick. you may say the one guy isn't going for a 'look' and that's why he wears a jersey all the time, I say he wears a jersey all the time because after much deliberation he chose that as his 'look' to make sure everyone notices how little he cares about these things.

it's not really the rest of the band though, it's mostly maynard. I haven't seen a frontman so in love with himself, so convinced that everything he says is pure brilliance, since jim morrison. he makes david lee roth look humble.

[maks]

hmmm just tried listening to some dream theater on youtube..
i actually don't want to listen to any more of it for fear that it may ruin my taste in music and skill as a guitar player,
it sounds like what me and my friends come up with improvising on the guitar when we think "what would sound cool to other people and sound like we possess complexity?"
i guarantee they are just building together bits and pieces of riffs they heard other bands play, and constructing them in a way that sounds original

that's exactly what they do, they've made a career out of sifting through queensryche's garbage.

[lnopia the great]

in fact only one track down on the same cd is 'red barchetta' which is a way better song and one that everybody isn't sick of yet


My station plays spirit of radio and working man more than tom sawyer, fly by night sometimes too.


I've never heard working man on the radio ever in my life, in fact the first time I ever heard that song it was the dream theater cover of it and that just kind of ruined it for me

also I know I'm the one who brought them up but do not get me started on dream theater unless you want this thread to go 20 pages


Dream Theater should have an "Up our own asses" contest with Tool, REM, and Radiohead


Is it weird that I love Rush and Queensryche but hate a band that alternates between trying really hard to be Rush and trying really hard to be Queensryche?


Is that why even the more famous artists can only dream of having Tool's number of record sales?
Even though Tool gets played on the radio considerably less than other artists


it's interesting to me that a you think a band that tries as hard as they can as human beings not to be up their own asses, is up their own ass


i've never even listened to them but my friend goes on and on about them


hmmm just tried listening to some dream theater on youtube..
i actually don't want to listen to any more of it for fear that it may ruin my taste in music and skill as a guitar player,
it sounds like what me and my friends come up with improvising on the guitar when we think "what would sound cool to other people and sound like we possess complexity?"
i guarantee they are just building together bits and pieces of riffs they heard other bands play, and constructing them in a way that sounds original


radio here plays a good variety of rush, but a canadian band is going to get lots of airplay in canada i guess. Tragically hip is over played by about 400% and i can't tolerate them anymore

[maks]

this is the most annoyingly pretentious thing queensryche has ever written

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Now eat it, shit it out and smear the results on a sheet music book. congratulations you've just written a dream theater album.

[maks]

radio here plays a good variety of rush, but a canadian band is going to get lots of airplay in canada i guess. Tragically hip is over played by about 400% and i can't tolerate them anymore

have you ever been to a rush show? I've seen Rush like 8 times, I've always wondered if there are girls at their shows in Canada, around here it's all chubby middle aged guys

[lnopia the great]

no but they are coming to tour here soon i think but i imagine it isnt much different.. all the attractive girls here pretend to like skrillex

[maks]

I don't even need them to be attractive, I'm usually so loaded at concerts I can barely walk. it seems like every single person at every rush show has tickets for comicon next week, and that makes me sad.

[Plug Drugs]

If they were all about the music you wouldn't know their names. They want to be celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that.
I'm sure they enjoy the fame to an extent, but not as much as other bands do
maynard won't go out in public without wearing a wig and disguise, and according to myth "shoots at obsessive crazed fans with a paintball gun to get them off his private premises"

I think they try to let the music stand by itself as much as they can.
They're not trying to promote a certain way to dress, a certain way to act, or a certain "music scene". At a Tool concert, you see all sorts of people who all associate themselves with different genres of music. Although Tool may be technically considered "metal", the crowd of fans is about as "metal" as the crowd at a bob dylan concert is "folk".

[maks]

I'm sure they enjoy the fame to an extent, but not as much as other bands do
maynard won't go out in public without wearing a wig and disguise, and according to myth "shoots at obsessive crazed fans with a paintball gun to get them off his private premises"

I think they try to let the music stand by itself as much as they can.
They're not trying to promote a certain way to dress, a certain way to act, or a certain "music scene". At a Tool concert, you see all sorts of people who all associate themselves with different genres of music. Although Tool may be technically considered "metal", the crowd of fans is about as "metal" as the crowd at a bob dylan concert is "folk".

is marilyn manson promoting his style? does he encourage people to dress like him? tool's casual in a way that makes them appealing to people who are anti-glam. that may not be the right description but it's the best I could think of. anyway, it's just as calculated, and just as much a part of the show, as kiss's makeup.

I don't know who classifies tool as metal, they're not nearly fast enough or dark enough to be a metal band. they're hard rock if anything.

[Plug Drugs]

that's kind of the point, their gimmick is not having a gimmick. you may say the one guy isn't going for a 'look' and that's why he wears a jersey all the time, I say he wears a jersey all the time because after much deliberation he chose that as his 'look' to make sure everyone notices how little he cares about these things.

it's not really the rest of the band though, it's mostly maynard. I haven't seen a frontman so in love with himself, so convinced that everything he says is pure brilliance, since jim morrison. he makes david lee roth look humble.
well, touche.
At least they're trying though

[maks]

well, touche.
At least they're trying though

I should point out, again, I don't have any problem with Tool, I consider myself a fan of theirs. It's just that sometimes you deify them a little more than they deserve and I feel compelled to reel you back in a bit.

[Plug Drugs]

is marilyn manson promoting his style? does he encourage people to dress like him? tool's casual in a way that makes them appealing to people who are anti-glam. that may not be the right description but it's the best I could think of. anyway, it's just as calculated, and just as much a part of the show, as kiss's makeup.

I don't know who classifies tool as metal, they're not nearly fast enough or dark enough to be a metal band. they're hard rock if anything.

i think its as calculated as it could be during the few seconds they thought "what are we going to wear out on stage? we have to wear something"
or at least that's what i like to think

[lnopia the great]

they probably have their own stylists

[maks]

i think its as calculated as it could be during the few seconds they thought "what are we going to wear out on stage? we have to wear something"
or at least that's what i like to think

Nothing wrong with buying into the illusion, Pearl Jam fans do it all the time.


they probably have their own stylists

'give me a $800 haircut and make it look like an $8 haircut please'

[Plug Drugs]

I should point out, again, I don't have any problem with Tool, I consider myself a fan of theirs. It's just that sometimes you deify them a little more than they deserve and I feel compelled to reel you back in a bit.

yeah drugs can make me manic and obsessive.
I think I may have put more thought into some band's songs than they ever even put into it while writing it

I've just always been craving a style of music that takes things to the next step, and Tool seems to have taken it there. They are definitely more committed to making quality music than your average schmucks; they spend months writing new albums; other bands don't put in 1/10th of that effort. Dave Mustaine openly admits that all the riffs on Countdown Extinction were made in just one afternoon; the band would go out and shoot hoops for a while, go back in the studio and just 'come up with' a riff, then go back out and shoot hoops for a while, then go back in and write another.
Tool on the other hand, actually has a blackboard they write out their gameplan on, with every single note given deep intricate thought before it is placed in the song.

[maks]

yeah drugs can make me manic and obsessive.
I think I may have put more thought into some band's songs than they ever even put into it while writing it

I've just always been craving a style of music that takes things to the next step, and Tool seems to have taken it there. They are definitely more committed to making quality music than your average schmucks; they spend months writing new albums; other bands don't put in 1/10th of that effort. Dave Mustaine openly admits that all the riffs on Countdown Extinction were made in just one afternoon; the band would go out and shoot hoops for a while, go back in the studio and just 'come up with' a riff, then go back out and shoot hoops for a while, then go back in and write another.
Tool on the other hand, actually has a blackboard they write out their gameplan on, with every single note given deep intricate thought before it is placed in the song.

their philosophies are totally different. dave mustaine isn't interested in being recognized as a paragon of talent handed down by the gods of rock, he's interested in making fun thrashy songs to play loudly and annoy one's parents. tool takes their music way too seriously to have any fun with it, every album feels like maynard expects me to recognize it as a masterpiece and if I find any fault with it well I'm obviously just stupid because it's perfect in every way. he really does remind me a lot of jim morrison.

[Plug Drugs]

Nothing wrong with buying into the illusion, Pearl Jam fans do it all the time.

There is a certain illusion Tool plays along with on purpose, but their fans know it to be an illusion just as much as they do.
For example, their last album 10,000 days had a "puzzle" to it that they didn't reveal the solution to up until a few months ago.
Was the puzzle as deep and as thought out as people liked to think it was going to be? Maybe not so much. Was it fun to think about before I knew the answer to it? Most definitely
It's part of the "mystery" that makes it more entertaining to listen to.

[maks]

I mean the illusion that everything they do isn't carefully vetted by a record company image consultant before they do it

there's at least some decent music to back up maynard's high opinion of himself. the guy from dream theater on the other hand, that's a different story.

[Plug Drugs]

it wasn't like some puzzle on the back of a cereal box either, it stumped a lot of people
It wasn't like an "in your face" "we got a puzzle on this album, buy now to try and figure it out!" No one would know there was a puzzle to it unless they were already a hugely obsessive Tool fan to begin with.
They made the puzzle for a small audience of people: their bigger fans.

That's what I like about them, they're willing to give back to the fans more than what's expected of them.

[maks]

PULL ME UNDER PULL ME UNDER

I so want to pull that guy under and hold him under until he stops breathing.

[maks]

it wasn't like some puzzle on the back of a cereal box either, it stumped a lot of people
It wasn't like an "in your face" "we got a puzzle on this album, buy now to try and figure it out!" No one would know there was a puzzle to it unless they were already a hugely obsessive Tool fan to begin with.
They made the puzzle for a small audience of people: their bigger fans.

That's what I like about them, they're willing to give back to the fans more than what's expected of them.

trent reznor likes to do stuff like that too, I thought it was awesome when he was leaving usb sticks full of unreleased material in the men's room at his concerts

[Plug Drugs]

I mean the illusion that everything they do isn't carefully vetted by a record company image consultant before they do it
I don't know about that; a lot of "underground Tool info" is strictly posted on their deliberately ambiguous website that no one goes to or hears about, and has had the same page format for at least 15 years.
If some big cheese from the record company were watching their every move and trying to find the best way to spike up sales, they would have executed it a little more "official looking" than they did; otherwise said big cheese just isn't very good at his job

[maks]

said big cheese just isn't very good at his job

Last I heard Tool was still selling records

[Plug Drugs]

i'm pretty sure they just had a buddy back in the 90s who said "hey, i know how to write websites, should let me help you guys make a band website"
The website seriously looks like a 'point and click adventure' CD-Rom game from the 90s; you try to navigate through ambiguous esoteric symbols and find "hidden things to click on", and at the end of it you get a few cool little tidbits of information about the band or articles of noted interest

[maks]

PM me the address to the secret Tool forum I want to troll them by asking about Opeth

[Plug Drugs]

just look at it for yourself http://www.dissectional.com/ does this look like it was designed with the record company overlooking its production?

[maks]

I think it was designed in 1998 and probably cost them $50k at the time

[Plug Drugs]

PM me the address to the secret Tool forum I want to troll them by asking about Opeth

they don't have a secret forum as far as I know. All they've got is a band page that's kept up to date by the band's close friend Blair MacKenzie Blake, who also uses it to promote stuff that friends of the band are doing. The site usually goes inactive for a few years inbetween albums, then activity resumes and updates start being posted again before the band is about to release a new album.
We should be getting a new Tool album by the end of this summer, if you were curious

[maks]

they don't have a secret forum as far as I know. All they've got is a band page that's kept up to date by the band's close friend Blair MacKenzie Blake, who also uses it to promote stuff that friends of the band are doing. The site usually goes inactive for a few years inbetween albums, then activity resumes and updates start being posted again before the band is about to release a new album.
We should be getting a new Tool album by the end of this summer, if you were curious

I'm interested in hearing it though I haven't really dug the last few

[maks]

So I wanted to troll some tool fans by asking questions about opeth and you said the official site doesn't have forums so I tried a few things and I found something... well, bad.

I expected better from people who listen to a band like tool. this is just so fucking vapid.

http://www.reddit.com/r/toolband

HOORAY LATERALIS IS TURNING 11 YEARS OLD LETS ALL DISCUSS THIS ON THE INTERNET IN MORE THAN ONE THREAD

THIS IS A TOOL SONG THAT I LIKE WHEN I'M LAYING IN BED AND I KNOW YOU ALL ALSO LIKE THIS SONG I'M POSTING A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF IT SO YOU KNOW I LIKE IT TOO

SAME AS THE LAST GUY, DIFFERENT SONG

HOORAY LATERALIS IS TURNING 11 YEARS OLD LETS BUY IT A CAKE AND SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FUCKING HEADS

[maks]

HEY GUYS I GOT A TATTOO OF A ROCK BAND LOGO BECAUSE I'M A STUPID DUMB TWAT HERE'S A PICTURE

[maks]

Ahh here we go a page and a half down it's the first unfunny meme reddit never disappoints

http://www.recaption.com/uploads/151304fa9f36d032d0.jpg


god I hate the reddit community so much you have no idea how much I despise them

[maks]

that guy sat down and was like "gee I want to tell these people on the internet that I said something elsewhere on the internet and was greeted with approval. instead of just typing it why don't I go to a website that will put it as a caption on a picture of a baby on a blue background"

[Plug Drugs]

the youtube comments for tool videos are just as bad

[Plug Drugs]

didn't you know? every message board on the internet has been overrun with faggots, since 2008 at least. The reptilian invasion wasn't limited to just us and our close cousins

[maks]

I think I hate the internet how ironic is it that I spend my whole fucking day on it

the reddit experiment did yield some fruit however, this is fucking hilarious http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7407720n&tag=api

[Gentleman Doli]

what is an r/tree

[maks]

didn't you know? every message board on the internet has been overrun with faggots, since 2008 at least. The reptilian invasion wasn't limited to just us and our close cousins

Some say 1994

[maks]

what is an r/tree

trees is where the potheads post, barry has been there extensively yelling at them for their filthy drug habit. I don't know what the r is for.

[Plug Drugs]

I think I hate the internet how ironic is it that I spend my whole fucking day on it

the reddit experiment did yield some fruit however, this is fucking hilarious http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7407720n&tag=api

old news, there's already even a documentary out on it

[maks]

old news, there's already even a documentary out on it

I know, I've heard of it before but that particular coverage of it strikes me as very funny maybe I'm just stoned but it seems almost like an snl skit about local news doing a story on a rock star

[lnopia the great]

ive made my own wine once it was pretty good for only 35 dollars

[lnopia the great]

about 30 bottles made from it

[maks]

that's pretty good how much space does it take up?

[Plug Drugs]

Some say 1994
before 2008 i could still find a few forums with worthwhile information on them (bluelight.ru for example had a shitload of good information about drugs) but now those places are overrun with imebciles wanting to add their worthless 2 cents
Yahoo answers is the poster child for sites infected with faggotry

[lnopia the great]

two carboys (the jugs) and a large pail, but you do spill a lot of liquid transfering it around

[Plug Drugs]

ive made my own wine once it was pretty good for only 35 dollars

and only $400 in shipping to ship a half a ton of grapes to your house? or what?

[maks]

before 2008 i could still find a few forums with worthwhile information on them (bluelight.ru for example had a shitload of good information about drugs) but now those places are overrun with imebciles wanting to add their worthless 2 cents
Yahoo answers is the poster child for sites infected with faggotry

on the darknet you can actually buy drugs, hookers, and hitmen with bitcoins.

[lnopia the great]

hidden costs add up

[maks]

two carboys (the jugs) and a large pail, but you do spill a lot of liquid transfering it around

could I do it with one jug?

[Plug Drugs]

were they grapes from a grocery store? Not exactly a connoisseur here, but I think that wine is supposed to be made from a certain strain of grapes that's different than the kind used for eating
But that's just a technicality; let it ferment and it will still get you drunk either way, but so will rice-water.

[lnopia the great]

could I do it with one jug?

maybe i just used one and used the pail as a temp storage to filter out the sediment or something i forget.. they are pretty cheap anywayu i think as long as you dont get glass


were they grapes from a grocery store? Not exactly a connoisseur here, but I think that wine is supposed to be made from a certain strain of grapes that's different than the kind used for eating
But that's just a technicality; let it ferment and it will still get you drunk either way, but so will rice-water.

pretty much any sugary fruit juice will make liquor but yeah different wines use different grapes, but unless you are hardcore you just buy a $35 box which has the grape juice, yeast, and other additives all pre packaged at any do it yourself brewer store

[maks]

I wonder how many jugs the mom from Laughing Pizza can handle...

usKuLfN4zJc

[Plug Drugs]

maybe i just used one and used the pail as a temp storage to filter out the sediment or something i forget.. they are pretty cheap anywayu i think as long as you dont get glass



pretty much any sugary fruit juice will make liquor but yeah different wines use different grapes, but unless you are hardcore you just buy a $35 box which has the grape juice, yeast, and other additives all pre packaged at any do it yourself brewer store
ah, the good old american "you almost did it yourself bro!" kits
letting yuppies across the country feel like they are almost self-sufficient

[lnopia the great]

most people anywhere arent self sufficient

[Garfield]

I wonder how many jugs the mom from Laughing Pizza can handle...

usKuLfN4zJc

id like to handle her jugs

[Garfield]

just blake griffin'd that post