people who drink coffee tend to live shorter, people who drink alcohol tend to live longer

[Moonman]

this has been a Healthy Tips & Tricks with doctor plug drugs

[Autistic Spectrum]

people who meet at the tip are more likely to contract SUPER AIDS

[Gentleman Doli]

correlation is not causation, also wheres the study moron

[steveyos YOLO]

People who shove pills up their ass are 10X more likely to put other objects up their ass.

[Autistic Spectrum]

people who fall in love with lisa over the internet are 10 times more likely to become a pariah to online communities

[steveyos YOLO]

They also discover they are sexually attracted to little boys.

[Moonman]

correlation is not causation, also wheres the study moron

pretty sure it has to do with alcohol's dilation of blood vessels promoting good heart health and caffeine's damaging effect on the vascular system, its just science doli. Here's an abstract:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2010.01286.x/pdf
oh youve got to register to view it, oh those fucking jews, well here is some schmuck internet journalist's flawed and biased take on the study:
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2017200,00.html

and as for the coffee thing i dont think thats very true, for every study saying that coffee is bad for you there's one more that says its good for you

[Autistic Spectrum]

:words:

[Gentleman Doli]

that study doesnt compare coffee drinkers and alcohol drinkers, it compares moderate alcohol drinkers to non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. i also rly have to question the methodology, all they did was get a bunch of old ppls names and drinking status then wait for them to die so they could look at their death certificates. the ppl who were heavy drinkers at the age of 55 could easily have stopped at the age of 56, someone who was a heavy drinker at age 54 could easily have abstained at age 55 and been listed as an abstainer, etc. this study is shit, and theres also this pretty enormous qualifier tucked in:


A model controlling for former problem drinking status, existing health problems, and key sociodemographic and social-behavioral factors, as well as for age and gender, substantially reduced the mortality effect for abstainers compared to moderate drinkers

[Gentleman Doli]

in short no, i rly dont think anyone should pick up "moderate drinking" so that they can live longer

[always stevey]

The guy accross the street died from liver failure. He drank a pint of vodka everyday

[Autistic Spectrum]

and he was cag's dad, rip cag's father

[Gentleman Doli]

[bows head in silense]

[Moonman]

that study doesnt compare coffee drinkers and alcohol drinkers, it compares moderate alcohol drinkers to non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. i also rly have to question the methodology, all they did was get a bunch of old ppls names and drinking status then wait for them to die so they could look at their death certificates. the ppl who were heavy drinkers at the age of 55 could easily have stopped at the age of 56, someone who was a heavy drinker at age 54 could easily have abstained at age 55 and been listed as an abstainer, etc. this study is shit, and theres also this pretty enormous qualifier tucked in:

yeah that doesn't matter the numbers are large enough where a few heavy drinker becoming abstainers or abstainers becoming heavy drinkers here or there doesnt really put a dent in these percentages:


The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the abstainers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

[Autistic Spectrum]

95% of the time i don't read what plug drugs posts

[Moonman]

you could say that participants of the study who already had serious health problems to begin with would be less likely to drink, I'd take that as a valid counter-argument

[rootbeer]

i put booz in my coffee, so i will live to be 100

[always stevey]

Doli and dp pretty smug mocking the dead

[jon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6PNc9KN50M

[Gentleman Doli]

yeah that doesn't matter the numbers are large enough where a few heavy drinker becoming abstainers or abstainers becoming heavy drinkers here or there doesnt really put a dent in these percentages:

thats not true. prior drinking history is a huge thign that they didnt even take into account

[Autistic Spectrum]

cag is basically living on borrowed time,

[always stevey]

I was in a good mood today until reading this thread.

[Moonman]

thats not true. prior drinking history is a huge thign that they didnt even take into account

like that even matters, i think a bigger flaw is the fact that someone with cancer probably isnt going to be hitting the bottle.
Also, cancer is the leading cause of death in that age group

[Moonman]

actually i take that back, 65+ the biggest killer is heart disease, and alcohol can in theory protect someone from heart disease, its just science doli

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

i am going to live forever its science

[Moonman]

when im on speed, drinking alcohol can alleviate the body load, lower my high heart rate, and virtually eliminate the stimulant comedown/crash, as long as i'm drinking lots of water and staying hydrated as well. That's all the proof i need that alcohol is healthy for you. I'm a huge proponent of poly-drug use. If youre gonna do drugs you might as well just speedball it

[always stevey]

actually i take that back, 65+ the biggest killer is heart disease, and alcohol can in theory protect someone from heart disease, its just science doli

Science is based on fact, not theories.

[Moonman]

Science is based on fact, not theories.

okay is einstein's theory of relativity not science then?

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

its jew trickery

[always stevey]

You can't compare your retarded theories to what you read off a brief history of time. Remenmber, you are a cart pushing stuffy who shoves heroine and speed up his ass

[always stevey]

Riddle me this, pluggy, lmao what kind of theories would Einstein have about you shoving drugs in your ass?

[Gentleman Doli]

alcohol consumption poses huge risks that extend beyond any protective effect moderate drinking might have on the cardiovascular system. that u actually think mixing an amphetamine and alcohol together has some sort of magical beneficial effect shows how big of a moron you are, you are NOT suposed to take amphetamines with alcohol period, the end. thats a great way to harm urself

[Gentleman Doli]

when im on speed, drinking alcohol can alleviate the body load, lower my high heart rate, and virtually eliminate the stimulant comedown/crash, as long as i'm drinking lots of water and staying hydrated as well. That's all the proof i need that alcohol is healthy for you. I'm a huge proponent of poly-drug use. If youre gonna do drugs you might as well just speedball it

the plural of anecdote is not data

[Gentleman Doli]

when i snort cocaine it makes me feel GOOD! thats all the proof i need that cocaine is good for you

[Gentleman Doli]

cag knows this well. when cag takes her adderall with a big bottle of whiskey her little kidneys starts to shrivel up

[always stevey]

Dr. Plug drugs

[Moonman]

You can't compare your retarded theories to what you read off a brief history of time

what are you even talking about

[Moonman]

Riddle me this, pluggy, lmao what kind of theories would Einstein have about you shoving drugs in your ass?

i clearly dont find it insulting pointing out that i put drugs up my butt, i mean i nsmed myself plug drugs okay

[Moonman]

alcohol consumption poses huge risks that extend beyond any protective effect moderate drinking might have on the cardiovascular system. that u actually think mixing an amphetamine and alcohol together has some sort of magical beneficial effect shows how big of a moron you are, you are NOT suposed to take amphetamines with alcohol period, the end. thats a great way to harm urself

yeah you sound like youre very educated on the subject, by what mechanism does taking both together pose a risk of harming you? the truth is taking both together is less harmful than taking either alone

[Moonman]

in fact if you wound up in the ER from an amphetamine overdose, the first line of treatment would be to give you benodiazepines

[always stevey]

i clearly dont find it insulting pointing out that i put drugs up my butt, i mean i nsmed myself plug drugs okay
Yes we all know you are proud to put drugs in your ass to try and be cool

[Gentleman Doli]

yeah you sound like youre very educated on the subject, by what mechanism does taking both together pose a risk of harming you? the truth is taking both together is less harmful than taking either alone

Using ethanol together with amphetamine can increase the risk of cardiovascular side effects such as increased heart rate, chest pain, or blood pressure changes. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with amphetamine. Let your doctor know if you experience severe or frequent headaches, chest pain, and/or a fast or pounding heartbeat

[Gentleman Doli]

unknown. In one study, concurrent administration of methamphetamine (30 mg intravenously) and ethanol (1 gm/kg orally over 30 minutes) increased heart rate by 24 beats/minute compared to methamphetamine alone. This increases cardiac work and myocardial oxygen consumption, which may lead to more adverse cardiovascular effects than either agent alone. Subjective effects of ethanol were diminished in the eight study subjects, but those of methamphetamine were not affected. The pharmacokinetics of methamphetamine were also unaffected except for a decrease in the apparent volume of distribution at steady state. The interaction was suspected in a case report of a 20-year-old male who experienced retrosternal chest pain shortly after drinking alcohol and taking a double dose of his amphetamine/dextroamphetamine medication (Adderall 15 mg X 2) to stay alert. The patient had no family history of cardiovascular diseases, and his past medical history was remarkable only for ADHD. Prior to the episode, the patient had not taken his medication for weeks and had been drinking whiskey the previous three nights before going to bed. The patient was diagnosed with myocardial infarction likely secondary to amphetamine-induced coronary vasospasm.

[juji]

Hey cag fucking puta let me choke-fuck you so hard in this night.

[Moonman]

cag knows this well. when cag takes her adderall with a big bottle of whiskey her little kidneys starts to shrivel up

when i take stimulants i drink more than 100 fl oz of water a day my kidneys are fine

[Gentleman Doli]

hahaha studies and the medical literature??? i have "experience"!

[Moonman]

unknown. In one study, concurrent administration of methamphetamine (30 mg intravenously) and ethanol (1 gm/kg orally over 30 minutes) increased heart rate by 24 beats/minute compared to methamphetamine alone. This increases cardiac work and myocardial oxygen consumption, which may lead to more adverse cardiovascular effects than either agent alone. Subjective effects of ethanol were diminished in the eight study subjects, but those of methamphetamine were not affected. The pharmacokinetics of methamphetamine were also unaffected except for a decrease in the apparent volume of distribution at steady state. The interaction was suspected in a case report of a 20-year-old male who experienced retrosternal chest pain shortly after drinking alcohol and taking a double dose of his amphetamine/dextroamphetamine medication (Adderall 15 mg X 2) to stay alert. The patient had no family history of cardiovascular diseases, and his past medical history was remarkable only for ADHD. Prior to the episode, the patient had not taken his medication for weeks and had been drinking whiskey the previous three nights before going to bed. The patient was diagnosed with myocardial infarction likely secondary to amphetamine-induced coronary vasospasm.
it said he hadn't taken his medication in weeks, and was probably at a baseline tolerance. Taking 30mg of adderall for anyone not familiar with it could cause strange feelings in the chest. I remember the first time I took adderall, i took 60mg and it felt like the muscles I use to breathe were going to stop working.

I'm going to have to call bullshit on the increased heart rate. I've never experienced that, give me a link

[Moonman]

hahaha studies and the medical literature??? i have "experience"!

you yourself argued that certain medical studies are flawed

[Gentleman Doli]

ive never experienced Stevens–Johnson syndrome when i take bactrim and yet its a real side effect of the drug. who wouldve thougt

[Gentleman Doli]

it said he hadn't taken his medication in weeks, and was probably at a baseline tolerance. Taking 30mg of adderall for anyone not familiar with it could cause strange feelings in the chest. I remember the first time I took adderall, i took 60mg and it felt like the muscles I use to breathe were going to stop working.

I'm going to have to call bullshit on the increased heart rate. I've never experienced that, give me a link

myocardial infarction isnt a fucking "strange feeling in the chest", its a heart attack you fucking lunatic

[Gentleman Doli]

fck plug drugs ur such an idiot lmao

[juji]

lmfao Plug drugs is gonna have stevens-johnson syndrome

[Moonman]

that study is questionable, its from '95 and also says that methamphetamine by itself causes a "minimal change in heart rate", which is blatantly untrue

[juji]

keep telling yourself and using drugs

[juji]

Plug drug's experimental No. 352:


Paint Nose:

Mix some milliliters of paint, whatever colour, then add generic alcohol in the bag, inhale.

[Moonman]

myocardial infarction isnt a fucking "strange feeling in the chest", its a heart attack you fucking lunatic

hmm didnt read that part. Where's the link to that article

[juji]

Plug drug's experiment No. 353:


Enhanced Paint Nose:

Mix some milliliters of paint, whatever colour, then add generic alcohol and unleaded fuel in the bag, inhale.

[Moonman]

If he did actually have a heart attack, I bet there was caffeine or something in whatever he was drinking, or ginseng or some other kind of stimulant. Deaths from amphetamine alone are so rare they're almost exclusively limited to people with pre-existing heart problems or something.
In the UK, only 832 deaths related to amphetamine were reported over a 10 year period (1997-2007), which is something like 6 deaths per 100,000 users. Not very significant.

[Moonman]

Also in that study, they were getting them extremely drunk first (1 gm/kg of alcohol is like 6 drinks in only half an hour), then giving them meth an hour later. It's possible they were dehydrated and already starting to feel hungover by the time they stuck meth in them; I bet if they did a study where they gave them meth first, then an hour later give them a low dose of alcohol (1-2 drinks) they'd see a decrease in heart rate.

[Moonman]

next time i'm tweaking, i will document my exploits with a video camera and check my heart rate before and after drinking alcohol and shit just to prove you wrong homes

[Gentleman Doli]

Also in that study, they were getting them extremely drunk first (1 gm/kg of alcohol is like 6 drinks in only half an hour), then giving them meth an hour later. It's possible they were dehydrated and already starting to feel hungover by the time they stuck meth in them; I bet if they did a study where they gave them meth first, then an hour later give them a low dose of alcohol (1-2 drinks) they'd see a decrease in heart rate.

lmao what a bunch of gobbledygook. "already starting to feel hungover"

[Autistic Spectrum]

lol 3 pages plug drugs threads about wikipedia articles

[Autistic Spectrum]

Plug drug's experiment No. 353:


Enhanced Paint Nose:

Mix some milliliters of paint, whatever colour, then add generic alcohol and unleaded fuel in the bag, inhale.

[Moonman]

i am just super smart, i have been given a gift

[Autistic Spectrum]

the gift of wikipedia

[Moonman]

lmao what a bunch of gobbledygook. "already starting to feel hungover"

you know what i meant, they were probably already feeling dehydrated snd sick of drinking, maybe had a headache and felt nauseous. their body was already in recovery mode from drinking and then they stuck meth in them and their body was like "what the fuck is this shit", i know if i take speed when i'm hungover the side effects are way worse, they should have gave them meth first then gave them drinks

[Autistic Spectrum]

hmm let me read your well thought out counterpoint action star get's reading glasses action star

[Moonman]

what where on wikipedia does it say that mixing alcohol with amphetamine is better for you than taking either alone, this is a plug drugs original thesis

[Autistic Spectrum]

you can littlerely go edit it to say that, but you would know that since you are a wikipedia user

[Moonman]

without references its just going to get changed back right away

[Autistic Spectrum]

so reference this shitty thread

[Moonman]

good thinking